That looks awesome but way overkill if its just for gaming. A longer description would be nice :)
Fair enough, it is a pretty big cooler so its doing its job well!
Love that blue sapphire card :) What sort of temps are you getting under load?
Quite an underused colour scheme but I love it and its uniqueness :) +1
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Good quality parts all round which should be excellent for all your needs. You could easily save a bit money here and there by going for a cheaper case, CPU cooler, SSD, PSU, MoBo etc but the parts here will last a very long time and are extremely good, but not ridiculously high end. The MoBo supports SLI and the PSU should have more than enough wattage for that too if you want to take that route in the future.
I agree with the others. It's a great build but overkill for what you needed and money has been wasted. The only difference between the 5930k and 5820k (other than clock speed which can be adjusted) is the number of lanes and it has been proven that running on 8x vs 16x has a performance difference so marginal it's barely noticeable.
Also, for gaming, more 6 cores won't be fully utilised in current games or even those in the near future. A quad core i7 4790k with a higher clock speed would have done you better.
32GB of RAM for just gaming again is ridiculous. 8 or 16 would suffice and your MoBo is £350! You could have easily gone for a much cheaper MoBo. All this money could have been saved and put towards 2 980s as others have said and you would have gotten better performance in game.
If this build was being used for video editing/rendering, then I would understand a little bit why you made those choices but since you say it's for gaming, this could have been a lot cheaper and better for gaming.
Can't wait to see finished pics :)
That's really good, but unless he's doing video editing and rendering, the two extra cores are useless. I would go for the 4790k with a decent Z97 board like the Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI. He could even get a 4690k as most games won't utilise hyperthreading but it seems a bit strange to spend so much on a 4k build and then have an i5. With Z97, DDR3 is now the option for RAM and 16 GB would cost about £60 less. He could go for a cheaper case like the Define R4/5 or the H440 to save a bit more. I would recommend getting a Western Digital drive instead due to better reliability and a larger SSD as I have a 120GB and I wish I had bought a 250. I'm not convinced on the AIO single rad cooler as decent air coolers tend to perform better for a lower price. A good dual tower costs only a little more than that. I would go for this if looks aren't of concern:
I have the H97 Pro4 and I've taken a screenshot to prove that you can OC with that mobo. Generally speaking though, you would need a Z mobo.
Although that is generally correct, I own the ATX model of that board and it has a 'non Z OC' feature in which you can actually overclock fully. It is similar to how some cheap H81 boards can OC the G3258, despite not being Z boards.
Oh, I didn't know that. Personally, I would opt for a different case anyway as this one doesn't have great cable management features/sound dampening foam etc. What is your budget as for about £60, I got the Define R4. For the same price as the SPEC, the 200R is available which I prefer to the SPEC cases. Also, it does fit the 212 EVO as it's side panel bulges outwards and if you click on the part, the review says that it fits the Hyper 212 EVO with a few mms to spare.
Maybe go for the Hyper 212 EVO instead of the TX3 for an extra £2/3, and if possible, go for a western digital drive as seagate had a higher failure rate on larger drives. It might be different now but in the past, WD drives have known to be more reliable.
A mixture between RedWhiteMonkey and Veizin's build would be ideal and still under the budget. Go for the 4590 as it is stronger, the H97 mobo, 8GB ram kit, the MX100 SSD as the Kingston V300 uses a lower quality controller now and has poor performance and reliability compared to other SSDs. Go for the WD Blue HDD as they are more reliable than Seagate ones imho, the Cooler Master case and the larger bronze plus PSU. The r9 280x and the GTX 960 are extremely similar in performance and price, so look into whether you want the 3DP on the 960 vs 1DP on the 280x and look up benchmarks for your specific titles. Out of interest, why do you want 200fps? As far as I'm aware, monitors don't come with more than 144Hz refresh rate and OCing it is not very popular/common.
What I'm trying to say is that the custom PC + 5K display or even 4K display is cheaper than the iMac and/or more powerful than the iMac. Also, maybe its different for you but if I only wanted the 5K iMac for the retina display over the standard display, most people would accept the 1440p display of older iMacs to save £1000.
I know not everyone is willing to build a custom PC but that is why I posted it here on a site dedicated to building custom PCs.
The whole point of having a 5K display is so that you can work with 4K content and be able to edit it without having to downscale the res of your content. If you were just after retina, you could go for any other cheaper Mac or a 4K 24" display and a custom PC or the Dell 5K display with a custom PC for much cheaper so that argument is kinda invalid.
I appreciate that the iMac is very compact. However, if you were just interested in the base model, you could easily build a mITX PC and have it quite small but still not quite as small as the iMac. Some people though don't mind having a separate PC and monitor, but it can be an issue if space is limited.
If you were a content creator who works with large 4K videos and are spending a fair amount on a computer, would you really get the i5 model with 8GB RAM and a slow HDD? This config actually makes sense and is still a hell of a lot cheaper.
Even with an i5, 8GB RAM and 1TB HDD, it would still be cheaper than the 2 grand base model and more powerful due to better GPU, OCing ability and upgrade options.
In the UK, the iMac customised with an i7, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD and a R9 M295x costs £3199. The reason I have chosen this optimisation is as it is designed as a workstation/content creation rig. The only available 5K monitor atm that I am aware of is the Dell UP2715K, which alone costs £1439.12 in the UK. That leaves me with £1759.88 to get those specs or better.
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I've included the monitor and the total is still £650 cheaper. It has more upgrade options, the CPU can be overclocked and will keep cooler and you could add a second GPU. It has a R9 290, which is way more powerful than the mobile GPU in the iMac which I chose solely as it compares accurately to the M295x. Practically speaking, I would have gone for a GTX 970 for the same ish price for the CUDA cores. If you wished to spend the full £3199, you could go for the 5820k with the GA-X99-UD4 and DDR4 RAM and probably still come out about £400 cheaper:
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I think you get the point.
I understand that, as I mentioned in the description. However, if you have the full 4K content on one with the editing tools on another, it is almost as good. I did say that it may not be quite as practical at times but having more monitors can also be really useful when multitasking.
As for SLI, it is supported but you might have to build a custom patch. There should already be drivers for it though. If you really want, you could easily go for just one 980/970 and save £450-650. Those options will still be more powerful than the R9 M295X in the iMac and will be more practical due to CUDA cores. I put two in to show just how much more expensive Apple can be. Also, you might not want to hackintosh and just use Windows or dual boot.
I went for the MSI board as it looks nice, has great features and is one of the cheaper X99 boards. The X99 deluxe is double the price, but as I mentioned, you could opt for the GA-X99-UD4 if you want as that is about the same price and could be a bit more compatible hackintosh wise but the X99S will work fine too.
Like Moop said, there are more cores, but each core is weaker than the i7 counterpart. That being said though, AMD's weaker physical cores are still more real than Intel's hyperthreaded ones so can be a plus in certain applications. If you look at benchmarks comparing i7 4 cores 4 threads to FX-8xxx 8 cores, the i7 tends to come out on top but not by much so you could go for the AMD option without loosing too much, if any, significant performance but for a fair bit cheaper. Also, on a side note, PCPartPicker has changed dramatically!
Also, the monitor on the right doesn't look like either of the two listed.
Umm, not sure about USA prices atm but good brands are Corsair, Seasonic, EVGA, XFX etc. Obviously they have their higher and lower end models, but most PSUs from those brands should be decent. I personally own a Corsair CS550M as it is a step up from their CX bronze range into a 80+ gold range and they are semi-modular at a fairly attractive price point. If your going for higher wattage, then any PSU from those brands and their owned ones with decent reviews seem good.
EDIT Just checked USA version of this site and found these 3 really good PSUs on sale atm if you are willing to grab one now:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10750xr - $70 atm
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-hx650 - $73 atm
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr - $55 atm
That's not bad but go for at least an 80+ bronze PSU, preferably higher. Make sure it has enough wattage to power a potential 2nd GPU in the future. Also, get RAM with a heatsink on it as not only does it cool the ram, it also avoids the bare/cheap look. You might also be able to fit in an SSD at that price since you're still under your 1k budget.
You're going to want an i7 for the video editing and CAD work, and a NVidia GPU for the CUDA cores. 16GB RAM would be preferable and I've chosen a gold rated PSU as workstations tend to be on a lot. However, with 2 27" monitors, the price does shoot up.
You could get away with no GPU to save £100, an unlocked i7 and a H81/97 mobo to save about £50 and no CPU cooler for another £25 off, but you'd still be £100 over budget.
If you really have to stay within the budget inc monitors, you could go the AMD line with an fx-8xxx to save about £100 further, but you will be sacrificing performance, but not too much. You won't be able to drop the GPU then however, as fx series don't have integrated graphics, so you'll only really save about £65 for switching the 4790k and a z97 mobo no GPU for a fx-8320 and a AM3+ mobo + GTX 750ti.
Ok, makes more sense now :)
Could you please explain why you swapped the 4770k for the 4790k and 780ti to 970 and whether it was worth the cost. I understand that the 4790k is better than the 4770k in basically every way but the 970 and 780ti were pretty neck and neck if I remember early benchmarks of the 970 correctly. Have you had any improvement of performance in game?
I agree, it is fine and you won't have any problems. However, what's the point in spending the extra money on an unlocked CPU and Z mobo if you don't plan to OC. I hope a decent cooler is at least saved as a future upgrade for the OP.
I would replace that PSU asap, unless you want your new PC to be a pile of ashes. Good build otherwise but please sort out your cable management, especially with such a beautiful case with plenty of cable management options.
Stuff in the UK costs more than in USA because a lot of stuff is made there, or at least the companies are based there, and products are shipped over here so it costs more due to import/export taxes and shipping etc.
Because of how expensive UK prices are, that build cost more in pounds than it does in dollars, and the exchange rate is about £1 -> $1.50 so it should be £600 :(
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Also, Afterburner is the best for OCing GPUs
If you've got two 200mm and 1 230mm intake, that's more than enough positive pressure for 1 140mm exhaust. I have to say though, that positive and negative pressure is really not that noticeable and if possible, I would set the top fans to exhaust as hot air rises so it just helps it on its way out, instead of pushing it back into the case again. Not sure exactly what kind of fan configs are possible with that case but try and keep it fairly even with say two intake and two exhaust.
Have you already purchased the GPU? If so, that build is fine. Otherwise, I would probably vouch for JasonUK's choice just with the MX100 larger SSD. Also, you could try and save a bit on the OS side of things if you are a student as you can get them cheaper or if you want to use Linux or something.
Maybe you could buy an SSD instead of the HDD for much better boot times and salvage an old HDD for now and maybe buy one later down the line as copying data across drives is significantly easier than copying an OS onto a new SSD if you buy one in the future. Also, atm, that build only costs $502 so maybe you could include an SSD as well as a HDD, or put the budget towards a stronger GPU, like the r9 290/gtx 970 if you can afford it.
I love the way the XFX logo shines through the case :)
Looks good but I would recommend a few minor changes. Spend a bit more and get a better monitor as that one doesn't have the best of reviews and is quite small. Maybe get a bigger PSU for crossfire in the future as your MoBo and GPU support it. If I'm not wrong, a 120gb SSD shouldn't cost too much more than the 64GB one for double the capacity. Something like these only cost an extra $10-20.
You could spend a lot less on the keyboard and save that for a future upgrade to allow you to make these changes.
SSDs have much faster read and write speeds so you'll be getting crazy fast boot times. I have a 120GB Samsung 840 EVO and my PC boots in about 10 seconds with Windows 7. Also, the different between the i5 and the i7 is that they both have 4 cores but the i5 has 4 threads whereas the i7 has 8 threads, it is hyperthreaded. If you're editing and rendering etc, you should definately get the i7 as it is hugely beneficial.
That video explains it.
Instead of spending almost 1k on the i5 build, try and save up a tiny bit more and you can get this with an i7, OCable CPU, really good cooler, z97 mobo etc. This has an IPS monitor so you'll get much better colour reproduction.
If your rendering, more cores/threads are super useful. Most cheap speakers are of bad quality, especially if they're from an unheard of brand. That's why I said some cheap speakers for $40. Also, the CM devastator combo is one of the cheap sets which is very popular and fairly good.
For that budget including monitor, keyboard and mouse, speakers and OS, and the fact that you want an i7, it's just not possible. Sorry, but your looking at a whole lot more. For video editing, an i7 is much more useful over an i5, and that alone is about £250 so $320. A decent monitor is about £150 so $200. A cheap keyboard and mouse combo like the CM devastator is gonna cost you about $40-50 and windows is another $100. Some super cheap speakers are gonna cost about $40. That's your budget gone already without including any parts except the CPU. If you want to include decent, reliable parts from good brands, you're looking at at least double that.
Ok, that's a lot of writing!
I admit that I don't know a lot of the in depth details of GPGPU and the shaders etc but from what I have read on what you wrote, it has a fair amount of untapped potential. I agree that comparing it to a 750ti is slightly unfair as there are other factors that will affect gaming performance if there are bottlenecks, so I won't go into that. The point as for games now starting to utilise more threads is true, but still currently not in widespread use, and that's why I'm saying the G3258 is not a bad chip in the slightest (esp if you look at the price). In the future, say 3 years time, when more games start to be optimized for more threads, I will stop recommending CPUs like the G3258 for budget systems.
As for the $250 PS4, that's a promotion which is only if you have an old gen console to trade in to encourage people to buy next gen when it was just released. It was 6 months ago and I'm almost certain it would have ended by now. I know that prices are cheaper in the US anyway but you're still probably looking at $400 plus if you're not buying on a deal/special promo.
The standard PC that you can buy at shops are of v. low specs and are not well designed and that is why I build my own custom PC for "bog standard" work as I wanted it to be as well optimized and fast as possible whilst staying cheaper than a decent store bought PC. I have an SSD, 8gb RAM, i5, 1tb HDD etc and mine isn't a gaming PC. I don't have a blu ray drive but I don't watch many blu ray films tbh. I think that PCs should have SSDs nowadays as the prices are drastically falling and they are sooo much better than mechanical HDDs. Custom PCs are almost always cheaper and more upgradeable and customizable etc but that's why we're on this site and not a dell forum or something.
At the end of the day, I think that maybe the PS4 has the potential to outperform budget PCs at the same ish price but due to the development, they cannot. PCs might well not have as much potential but as much as there is, it is used and so imho, PCs can provide better performance at all price levels. I think we should agree to disagree and leave this conversation here.
What is the last photo about?
"Gobblebox 12/7/14 Gig GTX 970 G1"
Sorry if I missed it in the description
You said that you have a Seagate drive in your description but you listed a WD Green? Great build though +1
Firstly, you realise that the $1600+ is not including the MoBo and PSU, which are probably about another $100 to $150 each. It also doesn't include the HDD so about $60 more. This is as these parts are not available in Australia atm.
I've had to cheap out on the case, CPU cooler, RAM and drop the SSD to fit in the budget. I've gone for a NVIDIA GPU as you will benefit from the CUDA cores when rendering etc. The 970 is also a fantastic choice for gaming.
Even though the MoBo is a H97 and not a Z, it will still allow for OCing as it has a BIOS setting that allows it. I have the ATX version of that MoBo and so I know that it supports OCing.
The CPU cooler is amazing for the price. It will keep your CPU very cool even under full load when OCed.
If you want to and can afford it, spend a bit more to get dual channel RAM with heatsinks instead as then you'll be able to upgrade to 32GB in the future is need be.
You could also get an SSD if the budget allows.
Still not admitting that the Pentium is an awesome CPU, huh.
Another example of a popular game in which the G3258 can max it out. The Pentium may not be able to max out every single game on the planet, but it can max out the vast majority of the most popular ones, whereas the PS4 clearly cannot. The games that it cannot, it still is better than a PS4, and the difference between the G3258 and an i5 for example, is marginal. You'll find that the 750ti gets better graphics performance than the PS4 graphics and the 750ti costs only £70 and is about par to the 260x.
As for your next gen consoles, the point is that those consoles are limited by their unchangeable hardware (other than the HDD which doesn't affect performance) to MUCH lower resolutions than PCs can achieve at the same price. PCs are more powerful at all price ranges full stop. You cannot argue against that. Watch any video comparing PCs to consoles, and there are plenty, and they all say that. Techquickie (Linus Tech Tips' other channel) did a good fair video to sum it all up.
Maybe some of your friends don't but 99% of people who are financially able do have PCs. Maybe not their own but your friends probably have a family computer. If they are able to afford iPads, there is no way they won't have access to a computer at all as a lot of things cannot be done on iPads.
As for your own PC, you actually spent over 1/5th of your budget on the GPU, and without it, it would have been a bog standard PC. I am using a fairly similar build which has an i5, 8gb RAM, SSD + HDD etc in an R4 and it is not used for gaming and is a standard PC. If I was to buy a GPU, I could turn it into a gaming PC so technically, a GPU is the only difference between a gaming and a non gaming PC and so yes, the GPU is the be all and end all of a gaming PC. The other components are needed anyway.
I only said $450 for a PS4 as that is what the OP said, prices could be different elsewhere in the world. That being said, I don't believe that you can get a PS4 for $250. You said earlier on that you're in Australia and when converted, 250 AUD is about 130 GBP as I'm in the UK. A PS4 here costs £300 onwards so $450-$500 sounds about right and $250 is either a load of rubbish or a used one, probably in bad condition. Link it and I'll believe you.
Just googled it, the PS4 is 1080p, the XB1 is 900p, my apologies. However, I highly doubt the PS4 runs them at maxed settings which you claim the PC cannot handle. My friend has a PS4 and another has a budget gaming rig with a r9 270 which only cost him £100 and the graphics is soo much better on the PC for all games, including BF4 and Crysis.
However, you clearly did not read/understand what I said that you don't need to have 3 980s to play popular titles at 4k. If you watched the video that I linked, then you would know that.
As for the CPU, again, a FX 6300 or G3258 OCed will not bottleneck any high end card. At most, there will be a couple of fps different, probably not even that. Next to no games currently are optimized for more than 2 cores but benefit much more from higher clock speed, which the pentium can provide.
Look at that picture and try to tell me that the pentium is not able to handle BF4. That is matched with a high end card so it isn't bottlenecking or falling behind in the slightest.
You still seem to ignore my comment that I repeatedly mention about everyone needing a PC anyway, and so the cost of the gaming machine is really only the cost of the GPU, compared to the $450 of a PS4.
PS4 caps out at 900p and I'm almost certain that other than a handful of low graphically demanding titles, 99% WON'T run at 60fps.
Linus Tech Tips recently did a video on gaming on a budget at 4k and proved that to play the vast majority of popular games at 4K at very decent fps, your entire system can come in at under $1000, and I'm almost certain that was including the monitor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4xDfEOGONw
That build was sponsored by AMD, Kingston and MSI though, so I might have changed the parts a little bit to spend less on the MoBo, Case and PSU and more towards the GPU, but that's a different story anyway. Point being, you don't have to spend $2000 on GPUs alone for 4k.
Also, most people won't have heard of Gaikai and I honestly don't know how it works/how well it works so I can't comment on that but backwards compatibility on PC works flawlessly as it is technically still the same generation of hardware.
You certainly don't need an i7 for gaming, that's a load of rubbish (no offence). An i5 or even lower is more than capable of playing almost any game without bottlenecking. An AMD FX-6300 is a very popular choice for budget gamers and although is slightly weaker in performance per core compared to an i5, it still performs about as well at half the price. There is only a couple of fps difference tbh.
The technology that Sony are working on may well be amazing and in due time, may make consoles have better performance for the price compared to PC, but PC is also rapidly developing. When GPGPU is released, this argument may be a different way around, but as for now, I still stand by my opinion.
The point I keep stressing but you fail to understand is that he only spent $100 more than he would have anyway to basically buy a gaming platform, whereas to buy a console, you have to dish out $450. Everyone uses a PC anyway, if they can afford one, so they can turn it into a gaming machine comparable to a console for less than a third of the price. If one wanted to spend more of the $450 the console would have cost as an alternative, one could buy a GTX 970 for £250 or $350 and have performance than would blow a PS4 out of the water and still not bottleneck the pentium G3258 which you keep criticizing, as it is a really really good budget CPU.
Still, not all games are fully optimized to DirectX. Also, games like BF4 can benefit from mantle, and I'm sure if you look at benchmarks, this rig will outperform the PS4 or at least they will be constantly be trading blows.
The most important point imho which makes PC gaming a bit more practical than console, is the fact that everyone needs a PC. He would have spent a few hundred pounds or dollars on a PC anyway, regardless of whether he's gaming or not. In my eyes, he's only spent the £60 or $100 for a gaming machine, rather than buying a PS4 for £300 or $450. He can also upgrade whenever he feels the need to and breathe more life into his system for another $100-200 in a few years time instead of having to spend $450 on a PS5. He'll also be able to play all the games the PS2 and the PS3 and PS4 and then the PS5 can play, all on one rig, since all PC games are backwards compatible, whereas consoles are not.
Also, on a PC, you can crank up the resolution to 4k if your monitor and GPU can handle it, or go as low as you possibly want, whereas with console, you can't even get 1080p.
The only reason I still play console is because more of my friends have it but in a year or so, my PS3 will inevitably be incapable of running newer games so I'll shell out £150 to buy a GPU for my already running PC that I use for general work etc and I'll be able to game on that instead of spending double the amount on a next gen console.
It's hard to compare exactly why between amd and nvidia due to different architectures etc but a 280 will outperform a 760. Look at benchmarks for proof. This will also be better as your MoBo supports crossfire for future upgrades but not SLI. If you do plan on crossfiring in the future, I would recommend going for a slightly higher wattage PSU just to be on the safe side. Around the 650W mark or higher will be best as I added two 280s to your parts list and the estimated wattage was 588W