Thanks so much :)
The custom cables you get from cablemod aren't necessarily for cable management but more for aesthetics. I suppose they could help with cable management if you go for custom lengths so that you have fewer bunched up cables, but generally, they are more for how your system looks with colored, sleeved cables with cable combs. You can click my build to see how they look in a completed system, but the cable management part isn't really made much easier due to these cables.
By the way, these cables are very expensive. My custom cables cost me almost $200 with shipping. The cables you will need are two 8 pin PCIe (VGA), a 24 pin ATX for your motherboard, and at least one 8 pin EPS for your CPU (depends on your motherboard, you might have two 8 pin EPS connectors or an 8 and 4 pin EPS). Those are the most important for aesthetics as they will be the most visible. For your X62 cooler and 860 evo, you could get a SATA cable (it would need two connectors if you only want to run a single cable for both of them). I just used my stock PSU cables for my SATA devices. If you end up getting 5 cables with the pro sleeving and cable combs, you'll likely reach the same cost as me at around $177 before shipping.
If your case will fit them, 140mm are generally more efficient than 120mm fans. When it comes to static pressure for radiators, however, smaller fans are generally better at pushing air through radiator fins, but most good quality fans between 120 and 140mm should be fine. It's only when you get to sizes like 200mm where it's really obvious that larger fans struggle to push air through those fin stacks.
If your case has room for something like two 140mm fans or three 120mm fans, if you really need the air flow, I would always go for three 120mm fans. While the 140mm fans would be more efficient, a third fan would tip the favor back to the 120mm fans as you could run them at slower speeds (for quieter operation) and achieve the same thermals.
For temps, maybe they weren't using the most powerful CPU for the time. I think those tests are a couple of years old. Don't expect amazing temps with something like a 9900k. I have a 9900k and used the H115i, H150i, H100i RGB Platinum (my current cooler), and Kraken X72 coolers. I can safely say that the H115i Pro was the worst for me. If you do push/pull, I would still leave the fans that come with the AIO plugged into the included fan headers attached to the pump.
If you are going to add more fans, it's probably best to hook them up to a fan hub or to the motherboard. Don't try to add more fans to the AIO unit itself. You need to download and install iCUE to control the fan and pump speed (I really like iCUE for this), and it probably won't recognize extra fans attached to the AIO.
Second question, those are the limits of those fans. Hint: they suck. The fans with the H115i RGB Platinum are much better as they spin up to 2000 RPM as you listed above. I have tried the H115i Pro with a push/pull fan config (the extra fans were Noctua Chromax 140mm fans) and the noise and temps (not to mention the cost of those extra fans) were terrible. Also, I didn't have control of the Noctua fans (I did set a curve) so that sucked too.
Your best bet is getting the RGB Platinum version and leaving it at that. Adding extra fans is only as good as the fans you buy and having the ability to control the fan speed in the OS. For the few different push/pulls that I have tried, it has at most ended up giving around 5C better temps under load. Not worth the money or hassle IMO.
Ah okay nice. For the fans to spin and light up, I think your system needs to be able to post, so you need the CPU in GPU installed.
Yeah, the different fan speeds are really annoying. I had to check several times to make sure I got the right cooler that would do the job for my system. Also, the black LL fans get up to around 1600 RPM but yeah, they are the slowest fans of everything listed.
The white version is fine but does kinda clash with the black case and pre-installed black LL120 fans. I do prefer the regular H100i RGB Platinum and honestly, it's kinda hard to notice the top exhaust fans anyway if you top mount the AIO (if you sit next to the case, you have to duck your head to notice them, unless you have the case raised higher than your keyboard on your desk). So replacing those fans for aesthetics is not very noticeable. The most noticeable fans are obviously the front and the rear exhaust. Hope that might help with your decision.
I have the same case and cooler (but the black one) as your part list and I would recommend you just keep the stock fans with them. They are excellent and perform better than the LL120 fans. For the H100i RGB Platinum, regardless of the white or black version, both come with fans that spin up to 2200-2400 RPM. The standard non white LL120 fans only go up to 1600 RPM (white ones spin up to 2200 RPM and the ML120 Pro RGB fans that come with the black version spin up to 2400 RPM). They can get a bit loud at that speed, but better to have that option if you need the cooling.
Anyway, to see how it all looks with the lighting (just default rainbows), you can click on my build. Good luck.
SLI and Crossfire are dead. Here's a good video that explains it, but you can find many more sources elsewhere: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_1OWdNDNLg
Your best bet for the single best video card is the 2080 Ti. The super is barely better than the standard 2080 and both are a decent bit behind the 2080 Ti. If you want the absolute best performance and decent headroom for enabling DXR (real time ray tracing effects), this is really the only card to get. DLSS is garbage (blurry and muddy visuals) so don't count on it to give you a significant performance boost. I've had mine for a while now and I'm very happy with it.
Well, the 2080 Ti will always be better for everything. If you want the extra power to have headroom for things such as enabling real time ray tracing and maintaining high fps, you'll want the 2080 Ti (without turning on garbage like DLSS). If you want to save money, get the super. The super should be more than adequate for 99% of titles out there, but when you turn everything to max including DXR, expect a big drop to your fps.
Micro Center had it for lower at around $550 but they sold out. From what I heard (the guy who bought it), it runs fine and has a good cooler. Considering that the 2080 super is barely better, I'd say it's worth getting the PNY card.
I've tested both and the H150i is pretty bad IMO. It is very quiet, but the fans that come with the unit max out at around 1600 RPM. If you are overclocking, I'm not sure how much it can handle if you don't replace those stock fans. At least for a 9900k, it struggles to keep 5.0GHz cooled unless you front mount the AIO. I don't like front mounted coolers as most of the time, the tubes will be oriented on top which leaves a chance for air to get trapped in the loop. This has happened to me and there is a really annoying clicking sound. Sometimes you can work it out on your own, other times you have to RMA (I had to RMA mine).
The X72 is probably one of the best coolers I have tested (I have tried several thanks and sorry to Amazon) as it can keep even 5.1GHz on my 9900k cooled (when top mounted). I like top mounting the AIO because it practically eliminates the chance of air getting trapped in the loop, and it keeps the front intake open for the video card (in most cases, you will notice maybe a 5C difference from front mounting the AIO). Also, the fans that come with the unit are good static pressure fans and pretty quiet. The difference from the H150i is that the fans can spin up to 2200 RPM if needed to keep even the hottest CPU cooled.
The only reason why I don't use the X72 anymore (gave it to my brother) is because I'm not a huge fan of the NZXT CAM software. It has come a long way though and apparently improving. In any case, you want to install it to monitor your liquid temp and control fan/pump speeds (you can just set the silent or performance profile and call it a day but you still want to keep an eye on liquid temps - never let it hit 60C). I prefer Corsair's iCUE software as I have a bunch of other Corsair products that work together with it. For pure performance though, the X72 is much better and what I would recommend if I didn't already own a bunch of Corsair products.
Yes, it will fit just fine.
Depends on which features you prefer or if you ever plan on water cooling. The FE card will in general always perform better as Nvidia keeps all the best silicon for themselves. That's not to say that the FTW3 cards are bad, but in general, they are slightly slower I think (I have one and it OCs to around 2025-2040MHz while FE I've seen mostly over 2100MHz). If you will replace the FE cooler with a water block, that is honestly the best IMO. Otherwise, their stock cooler isn't the best but gets the job done at only two slots.
The FTW3 is a much larger and more expensive card. It's a triple slot and about 10% longer (FE is under 270mm, FTW3 3 is like 300mm) and heavy as hell (helps to get a video card brace as the card sags a bit). The cooler is much better and quieter though, and the fans stop during idle. If you won't water cool and aren't doing something like building some crazy mini ITX build with an oversized card, the FTW3 is really good. I do love mine, but I'm actually planning to water cool, and with a reservoir in my case, my card might be too long. Dunno what I will eventually do with mine.
Great idea! As for ebay, how do you plan to do that? Selling a prebuilt that you put together or you can offer services there?
The super version of that exact same model from EVGA is only $20 more. Unless the non super version of the card drops in price a bit, I would get the super version. Although at least from EVGA's website, their 2080 supers are all out of stock.
I'm really happy with my current case (Obsidian 500D RGB SE) for the tinted glass panels and hinged magnetic side panels. As far as air flow, it's passable. I am starting to get interested in water cooling though, and for that reason, I'm liking the Lian Li O11 Dynamic. Actually, I've been trying to find cases that could fit a distro plate comfortably and have even found some premade plates for cases like the O11 Dynamic, Cougar Conquer, and In Win 303. As far as most attractive, I like cases that can support a side mounted radiator to show RGB fans on a 360mm radiator. I guess the Thermaltake P3 and P5 along with the O11 Dynamic and In Win 303 all support that feature. I know there are quite a few more cases like that out there, so I'm looking for them to decide on for my next build.
Truly wish you the best. If you've got the passion, the drive, and the will to work for it, I think you will succeed.
There is always a chance of leaking but you get a six year warranty with NZXT's coolers which covers any damage caused by leaks or failed pumps. Also, these products have matured quite a bit so the chance of failure is pretty low (if it were high, they would have discontinued these products long ago). I have an X72 Kraken as well (since March this year) and so far so good.
For building, I feel pretty much the same way. I love doing the research on the hardware, comparing prices, putting a build together (the list and the labor), and even managing the cables. I'm also trying to get into water cooling, but it's expensive as hell and will have to wait a bit. In any case, I would also build a computer for others for a pittance, but as you said, it's not the easiest thing to promote.
I thought about offering services on craigslist but honestly don't know how that will work out. I also tried applying for a job at NZXT but it looks like I missed the hiring window (also, most PC building jobs don't pay well and I'd probably be taking a pay cut switching to it). I think there are some apps where you can offer services or people give out small one-time pay jobs. Maybe you can find some work if you can find a job for building a PC there? Sorry, I know, it's not easy to do this as far as I know.
For the Amazon thing, just be careful and make sure not to throw anything away. Do your best to pack everything exactly as you got it and you should be fine. Don't abuse it too much as from what I've heard, it is possible to get your account banned.
As for having fans on both sides of the radiator (most people usually refer to it as "push/pull"), you can fit it on the front of the case. On top, you won't have the clearance. Honestly, for a slim 360mm radiator, you don't need it. Push/pull is better left for those 60mm+ thick custom loop radiators. Also, for NZXT AIOs, they don't give you extra long screws to mount more fans on the radiator. As far as I know, only Corsair gives you extra long screws for push/pull (even though they only give you enough fans for one side). Sure, you can buy more screws at Home Depot, but anyway, the extra slightly better temps (we're talking less than 10C in most cases, maybe 5-7C on average) are not worth the cost of buying extra fans. Again, I would leave push/pull for thick custom loop radiators.
but AMD cut the launch price, so joke on them.
but AMD cut the launch price, so joke on them.
Not quite. They had to cut the price because the benchmarks for Super were not in their favor. Also, people were expecting the prices to be lower in the first place (people even went so far as to say that AMD are working with Nvidia to fix video card prices - that's how much people were upset about Navi prices), so finally lowering them only after their competition revealed superior benchmarks is bad optics for AMD.
Front panel I/O configuration. You get a USB Type C port and the audio jack requires a splitter if you want to use a mic and headset (I think it comes with the splitter). That's pretty much it. The refresh is really more significant for the H700 and H200 since they now have the single captive thumbscrew to remove the TG panel and removable 2.5" SSD sled if you don't want it mounted on the front side.
Nvidia did a great job with their real time ray tracing marketing, so much so that now the same reviewers who were bashing the lack of support for real time ray tracing are recommending "future proofing" systems with RTX Super over RX 5700 XT (or at least if they aren't outright recommending it, they are still mentioning that it is a factor worth weighing when comparing the cards... and there are still only three AAA titles that actually support it!). That kind of marketing, while impressive, doesn't hold a candle to game consoles and their massive hype train. We're on the express line to 8k 120fps DXR ULTRA baby! CHOO CHOO!
Seriously though, that kind of leap in hardware out of absolutely nowhere, I just don't understand where people pull this out of. It seems to happen with each new generational console launch. Hmm, wonder why? CHOO CHOO!!!
I mentioned in the description that this is a spare part that I had. Since it's a pain to bother selling it, I just gave it to my brother for this build.
Haha, yeah. I mean, losing the saturated animal fat is a good thing, but there are still some pretty calorie dense fruits that people love (avocados, dates, figs, etc.). I don't think I could eat more than a couple bunches of grapes though, and while I love guacamole... ****, I could probably eat a tub of that stuff :(
LOL!! Yeah I guess I should have mentioned that my wife's friend was pregnant at the time. But after delivery, she kept eating those grapes and couldn't drop the weight. She went to the doctor to find out why, and after he asked the right questions, his jaw hit the floor. Not sure if she ever gave it up but for her sake, I certainly hope so!
The 9900k gets really hot. You do need a pretty good cooler to keep it running well. In general, you want to keep it under 80C when under load to preserve the life of the chip. The H100i will do the job, just don't ever expect it to stay under 50C under load unless you keep your system in a freezer.
No, the NZXT stock fans for their AIOs are good. The Aer P fans deliver more static pressure and push more air through the radiator than those ML140 fans, and they operate at a comparable noise level. I've tested a lot of Corsair and NZXT AIOs (thanks and sorry to Amazon), and the X72 was easily the best one as far as thermals and noise level. I know the fans don't quite look like good static pressure fans with their blade design, but just try them out and see for yourself. If you don't think they are performing very well, then replace and test them yourself. I would definitely try the stock fans though as NZXT does produce pretty good static pressure fans.
As for radiator placement, it does matter. If you place it in front, you will have cooler CPU temps. Your video card will operate at slightly warmer temps (depends on your case too), but overall, it's fine to mount in the front. The only thing is, it is best to have the tubes oriented so that they are coming out of the bottom. The problem is that you generally don't have the clearance for that due to the video card (unless it is vertically mounted). It's not a huge deal, but with the tubes oriented on top, there is a chance for air to get trapped in the loop. This has happened to me and I did RMA my X72 Kraken as a result (NZXT has good customer service).
If you mount it on top, you won't have the trouble with air getting in the loop, and your video card will get fresh air keeping it cooler than a front mounted radiator, but depending on your video card (mine is the 2080 Ti), your CPU temps will be higher. Even still, due to the air getting in the loop, I keep my radiator mounted on top.
No, even if you meant a 50 degree delta over ambient (I'm guessing you just mean 50C), that's a negative. I have the same cooler (just the RGB Platinum version) on a 9900k and while gaming, I'm seeing average temps of around 65C (peaks at 78C in some instances), though this is for a CPU intensive game (Assassin's Creed Odyssey ultra settings 3440x1440 - I see CPU usage from 50-90%, but average around 40-45%). This is also just for stock settings, but I'm running the fans at 50% max for low noise (can only game at night).
I have run the fans at max speed which is noticeably loud on my chip overclocked to 5.1GHz. While benching, I still saw temps as high as 80C, again with maxed fans.
The best performing cooler that I've tried is the X72 Kraken as it can keep the 9900k overclocked pretty cool (around 75C) overclocked during stress tests and gaming with fans maybe hitting 60% (which is still barely audible). It is a 360mm radiator though. If you like Corsair better and want to try the H150i Pro, you really need to replace the stock fans as they aren't really going to remove heat from the radiator fast enough, even while maxed (they are only 1600 RPM fans, really quiet, but bad at cooling the radiator with a 9900k).
Also, why 50C? Even with a custom loop, you will exceed 50C under load. I've seen people post their temps with a 9900k and 2080 Ti in a loop with 5 x 120mm worth of radiator and they are still around 60C. Those temps are well within safe operating margin.
Really interesting post, thanks. My wife is really interested in Beyond Sausage so I'll have to give it a try.
In general, I prefer vegan due to my mother's side history of cholesterol and how animal fat doesn't digest well in my system. Sodium isn't really an issue for me as I work out and sweat (I actually had issues with not enough sodium in my diet). But yeah, vegan definitely does not equal healthy or even skinny. My wife had a friend who was vegan but overweight (borderline obese). She ate 5 pounds of grapes every night for months. That's roughly 1500 calories in sugar just for dinner. Maybe that's a pretty extreme case, but anyway, thought I would add that little bit to help dispel that myth.
Thanks for the heads up. I don't think the Beyond Beef is widely available yet though. Can't find at stores and Amazon has a 4 pack (4lbs total) for $112. I know that can't be right.
Depends on the case. If there isn't a bunch of glass that you might end up scratching or there is some spot to secure the radiator while fitting your motherboard, it should be fine. Some people actually prefer to mount the cooler before putting the motherboard in the case (though I admit it's probably rare). If it will be a hassle to fit it though, just remove it before installing into the case.
Well I imagine it's just build quality because you're getting PCIe gen 4 which requires server grade PCB construction. Also you will get better memory support, though that won't be an issue with B450 or X470 if you aren't buying memory higher than 3200MHz. As for VRMs, you are fine with any as they are overkill and the new chips are efficient and don't overclock well anyway. Also, if you get a B450 or X470, you will need to get the BIOS flashed. I've heard that AMD is offering a kit for free, but not sure what it is (a loaner chip to boot and flash?). If you don't want the hassle or don't have a spare first gen Ryzen chip, I guess just go with X570.
You're honestly fine with the stock cooler. The thing sips power as it's very efficient, and it doesn't really overclock well anyway. A 360mm AIO is overkill, a 120mm is generally outperformed by cheaper air coolers and likely not to get you more performance than the stock cooler, and a 240mm is still probably too expensive for like another 100mhz on your chip. I guess if you care about aesthetics, go with the one you want, but as far as performance goes, don't expect too much for the price you will be paying.
Go with the one that has the features you need, whether it is wifi or the intel lan. You won't really go wrong with any of them as far as performance (I watched that builzoid video as well), so take your pick. I got my brother the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon (got an awesome deal at Micro Center) since it has wifi and bluetooth and two M.2 slots. Didn't want to bother with PCIe gen 4 or the chipset fan (though not sure if this is an overblown thing or audible/annoying on the lower end X570s).
I sold my old system on craigslist, but you can also try offerup which is a phone app. I got a ton of offers from offerup, but everyone was trying to lowball the hell out of my offer (which was already very generous). If you intend to list it there, I would add around 10-15% to give you some negotiating headroom.
Are you sure about that? Where are you able to find it for a good price? I'm seeing $6 for 8oz of beyond meat (two 4oz patties) at Target, Walmart, and local grocery stores (Stater Brothers here). That's $12 a pound, a lot more than regular ground beef. 85/15 ground beef (at least here in California) goes for $5 per pound. While I prefer vegetarian (vegan if possible), I can't really spend that kind of money for a meat substitute.
I haven't tried impossible yet, but beyond meat, at least from what I've tried at Carl's Jr., is actually pretty good. I didn't realize that beyond meat was pea protein. I am generally fine with soy but not so good with peas (talking about my stomach), yet somehow beyond meat doesn't bother me.
I used to be vegan as it was really good for my health, but after getting married and having two kids, it's quite difficult to maintain that kind of nutrition. Having alternatives to meat that is fast and easy to prepare, especially if it keeps well in the fridge, is definitely of big benefit to me. The only problem I have with it right now is that it actually costs more than real beef. Two 4oz patties is $6, so it comes out to $12 per pound. Ugh...
It depends on where you are going to put those top exhaust fans. Since you've got an air tower cooler, you want the fresh air from the intake to reach your CPU cooler. If you have a top exhaust before the CPU cooler, it's just going to exhaust that fresh air. There are some instances in which too many fans, even if configured properly for air flow, will be detrimental in regards to thermals. Also, the more fans you add on top of maybe two intake and one exhaust, the greater your diminishing returns as far as temperatures versus cost of extra fans.
If you'd like some examples and actual test data, check out Gamers Nexus on youtube. They lots of videos on thermal performance for one fan vs. two fans vs. three fans and even a video on when you can actually have too many fans. Also Linus Tech Tips has at least a couple of videos on that as well.
Just something to add: if you have something like a 360mm AIO, then it's more than likely that you will have your entire case full of fans. In a situation like that, it's fine as you will need all of that air flow. If your 360mm radiator is set to exhaust, you definitely need at least two, if not three fans providing intake, and if your 360mm radiator is set as intake, you obviously want at least two fans exhausting all of the heat from the radiator and your video card.
The best way is to back up everything you have on an external drive and do a full reinstall of Windows. The steps are simple: 1) back up your files; 2) insert your USB drive with the Windows installer and restart your system; 3) go into your BIOS and manually reboot with the USB drive as priority.
When you go through the installer, it will let you delete your partitions and format/reinstall a fresh copy of Windows. That is definitely the best way to do a clean install.
Not a degenerate, just honest. I have two boys. When we had our first son, while I love him to death, I thought that he was extremely loud and obnoxious as a baby (now, as a four year old, he is just so precious to me). Among parents, there is a belief that if you have a loud baby, the next one will be quiet. Well, turns out that our first boy was the quiet one.
Parenting is the thankless job that requires a huge sacrifice. My wife, who prefers to work, has had to stay home for the last four years. She hopes to start working later this year when our second boy turns one and she no longer has to breast feed. The toll that this has taken on my wife's patience, well, she has definitely changed since we first met. She loves our children, but eventually she would love to have her time back. And I think that's the heart of the matter here. We all value our time, but when it comes to babies, our time, our desires, our dreams, all be damned. The kid comes first because they are totally innocent and need us.
As long as you are honest about what you want and what you can and can't give up, and obviously make the right choice when it comes down to having kids or not, then you are fine. The only degenerates are the parents who have kid after kid after kid and don't give a **** about them. I've seen my fair share of them and can only feel sorry for the children.
Just have it propped up against something to maintain some air flow and it should be fine. If you want to make sure no air gets trapped in the loop while testing, make sure the tubes are oriented coming out the bottom of the radiator rather than the top.
Yes, it'll be fine.
Beautiful custom lighting profile. Nice runs as well.
The kits have the advantage of having everything you need as a beginner so that you don't forget to purchase something and not have a working loop, but as far as price, I don't think they are discounted over individual parts. It looks like there are both hard tube and soft tube kits for TT, and they have great parts. EK only has soft tube kits, but they are also very respectable with quality parts.
Personally, I want to try out the Corsair Hydro X series, mostly because I want to use it with the iCUE software. Also, I prefer clear over pastel coolant, and it'll play nicely with the rest of the Corsair RGB in my system.
In any case, whoever you choose for parts, don't expect any "great" prices as custom loops are expensive. In general, it's best served for those who have already built a system that can't really be upgraded much further (if at all), such as a 9900k/3900x and 2080 Ti. I guess if you are simply going for aesthetics though, TT water blocks and Riing Trio fans look really great.
Your system was originally configured with an integrated GPU. You have to go into BIOS and change it to your graphics cards. I've never had to go that myself so hopefully someone here will be able to help you if you aren't sure with that. Or try looking it up.
Bad motherboards have crappy VRMs or bad memory support, or a bad BIOS. VRMs are voltage regulators that supply power to your CPU (they lower the voltage from the PSU to the CPU). Bad VRMs will overheat and cause you to lose performance from your CPU (really bad if you paid like $500 for a 9900k but are only getting 8700k like performance). Unless you have a decent knowledge of electrical components, it's really best to just check motherboard reviews from sites or youtube channels like Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed. There's also a really smart motherboard enthusiast known as buildzoid who frequents Gamers Nexus and has his own channel (Actually Hardcore Overclocking), but his videos are quite long. He is very knowledgeable though and if you are interested, he goes really in depth on motherboards. After a few of his videos, you will probably feel a lot more comfortable in choosing a good one.
In all honesty, I pretty much rely on buildzoid, Gamers Nexus, and Hardware Unboxed for motherboard reviews before buying any motherboard. As for your second option, it depends on which B450 board you get. The best, at least according to buildzoid, for B450s are MSI: B450 Tomahawk, B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC. There were a couple other MSI boards but I think they are harder to find now. As for the 16GB DDR4, it depends on the speed. If it is DDR4-3200, that's a good price to performance spot for memory. Also, that case is incorrectly listed. It's micro ATX (mATX) which is slightly smaller than the standard ATX, or mini ITX which is the smallest form factor. MiniATX doesn't really exist, so whoever listed that... don't trust them.
No, if you can get yourself to do a bit of research regarding parts and prices and spend a bit of time learning how to build it yourself, you can make something better for that price. If you just want something now, well, I would look for better elsewhere as that's not really a good price. Prebuilts are almost always going to come with crap motherboards and crap power supplies as those are the most underappreciated or misunderstood parts, and its easy to cut costs by using cheaper ones. Also, you can find great deals on storage nowadays, so you can go all SSD on your storage for pretty cheap.
Well, only you can answer that question for yourself. For me, the answer was an obvious yes, but it's because I have a 3440x1440 100hz monitor and want to be able to max its capabilities (similar performance requirement of 4k 60fps). Also, real time ray tracing is really taxing on performance, so if you really want to keep those frames up while turning it on, having the maximum possible headroom is best (if you can afford it). Again, it just depends on which you prefer. When you go that high up in graphics cards tiers, at least for me, you are probably concerning yourself more about performance than price (otherwise you'd stay around the 2070 Super range).