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Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI Contest IS ON!"

  • 42 months ago
  • 1 point

Any build that costs 2 grand, yes, does need to include some form of high end cooling or it was a gross waste and lopsided configuration. Unless it's an industrial machine or strictly business related workstation, any 2000 dollar build that does not include monitors or peripherals should absolutely have at LEAST a mid tier cooling solution, and nothing anybody says is going to change that fact. Every experienced builder will tell you the same thing. Especially if it's CLEARLY been configured for overclocking, as that one was.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 42 months ago
  • 1 point

Again, you can't see past your own selfish expectation for what a "dream machine competition" means. For YOU, it means that, for others, it might not. For some kid who can't afford ANY computer, a "dream machine" is probably ANY computer that any of us currently uses, even one that's five years old and was only about 300 bucks to start with. People like you are what's become wrong with this country. Everything is me, me, me and "what can I get" and "what have you done for me lately". Disgusting really. I like nice things too, but I work for them and earn them, so that's my prerogative. If you win, great, but simply wanting to win it for yourself does not make somebody else any less deserving of winning simply because they do not intend to do that.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 42 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't think anybody who wants to win this for themselves is selfish, I think those who dislike the idea that somebody else might win, are. If your only problem with a build is the fact that the winner might not keep it for themselves, because that's what you would do, then that's a selfish position.

Comment reply on MacGoreth's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide – “House Of The Red Dragon”

  • 42 months ago
  • 1 point

IT wasn't supposed to be something that was "a great piece to start out with", it was supposed to be a "dream machine". That's why the EVO doesn't belong in any of these builds. For 2000.00, you should NOT need to do or add anything later to get it where it needs to be.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 1 point

Nobody said it was "centered around it". They also didn't say it was forbidden. I'd be willing to bet that MSI would get a lot more publicity and notoriety by being involved in a venture that resulted in many kids benefitting from the event than they ever would from one individual taking home the prize. But whatever. It's clear you can't grasp the concept, so obviously it's not worth discussing further. Like we say elsewhere, Yes, I can explain it to you in great detail but I cannot comprehend it FOR you.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 2 points

It doesn't say that, anywhere. You know what it also doesn't say, that you can't. So whoever wins can do whatever they wish with it. If one person says "If I win I'm going to play games for two weeks without coming up for air", then that's fine, it's their choice to do that. If somebody else wants to do something a bit more selfless with the winnings, then that's their choice as well and nobody should have the right to say that because they've made it clear they intend to do that they are somehow getting an unfair advantage. That's silly.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 4 points

Nobody, nowhere, said that was what the competition was for. You simply assumed that "dream machine" meant "free ride" for you or another contestant. Sometimes, occasionally, it doesn't hurt to be selfless. Giving something to the less fortunate doesn't always have to be for people with offshore bank accounts. And there is no "him" as clearly stated in the preamble for the build. This was a group effort with the intent to try and win so we could make a donation to an organization that we know helps these kids that have little to no opportunities. Every word you say makes it clearer how much you don't understand the merit in looking past your own nose. Just sayin'.

And please don't insult my intelligence with the meager argument that the blatant cheating going on is irrelevant. It's entirely relevant when you bring up things like "ruining the spirit of the competition." Cheaters are the ones who ruin things. Not people putting forth the effort for a selfless endeavor. I can't believe I have to share the planet with so many "me, me, me, mine, mine, mine" self serving hedonists. No wonder the world is so fracked up.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI Contest IS ON!"

  • 43 months ago
  • 1 point

There should not be any STOCK 2000.00 dollar builds, that's kind of the point. And yes, aside from use as a replacement for a factory HSF or for mild overclocks, it's rather lousy, unless you don't mind the noise.

Comment reply on _Zeeku_'s Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - "The Bloodshot Nighthawk"

  • 43 months ago
  • 2 points

This has to be disgarded for the simple consideration that 32GB isn't enough to install Windows 10 plus one game of any realistic size. Seriously, FAIL. Honestly, there is so much wrong with this build that it's really not even worth commenting on further.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 2 points

Furthermore, as a parting shot, some of you need to grow up and stop acting like you're fourteen, even if you are. If you can't act like well mannered adults, perhaps you should stay on the porch and let the grown folks do their thing.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI Contest IS ON!"

  • 43 months ago
  • 1 point

I already explained what's wrong with using an EVO. Apparently, you've never used one on a system with a decent overclock configured. For stock systems, it's fine, but I don't see any way anybody should be considering a "stock" system on a $2000.00 build. It's not a matter of it having to be liquid cooled, it's the fact that you don't use a POS entry level component on a build that costs two grand.

There are plenty of worthwhile air coolers that could be incorporated into the build, that won't sound like a jet engine when under load on an overclocked rig. The EVO does, and will. Even a Cryorig H7 would have been better, a little, than the EVO.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 3 points

I don't agree that it turns it into a "clickbait" piece. Nobody is asking that anybody vote for this build if they don't feel it's worthy. If you really feel that the selfish, greedy needs of one individual outweighs the potential for helping many who can't afford what you clearly already have, that simply goes to show character. Nothing is killing the spirit of the competition more than individuals who are cheating to try and get a win by circumventing the rules to their own favor by creating accounts to upvote their own systems. You should direct your attention towards those who are cheating, and thereby breaking the "spirit of the competition" rather than hating on somebody simply because they don't intend to be selfish enough to keep the winnings for themselves.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 1 point

There is clearly cheating happening in this competition, but it's elsewhere, not here. I'll take exception with anybody who says otherwise. Nobody is creating accounts to upvote this entry, unlike the other contenders who clearly are.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 1 point

There are lots of kids out there that also can't afford a computer, at all, much less a "dream machine". Clearly you already have a computer since you've posted a comment here, so what makes you having a dream machine rank higher than others who can't afford to have one at all? Simply being so selfish that you want something for yourself does not undermine the moral value of being willing to contribute something to those who can't afford to have what we all already do have.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 2 points

I don't understand why you are so selfish, and expect everybody else to be as selfish as you are. It's not all about YOU, or any ONE person, and the sooner you figure that out, the more likely you'll be to find some kind of maturity and happiness in life. All you greedy individuals need to look past your own noses to see there is more than just "gimme, gimme, gimme" going on here.

Comment reply on tiny_voices's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide - Everything in MODERATION

  • 43 months ago
  • 6 points

MSI doesn't give a hoot who the winning build goes to, they just want to promote the enthusiast genre and their branding. I for one think that SOMEBODY is still going to get their dream machine, as it will be auctioned off to somebody who wants that rig and is willing to pay for it, rather than beg for it or cheat to get it, plus additionally will provide much needed opportunity for some underprivileged kids somewhere.

I think there are probably a whole lot of you who at some point got the opportunity to learn on and use computers that were provided by your school, boys and girls club or another similar facility that might not have had those places not had the support of 3rd parties. If you didn't, you probably came from a well to do family and have no business crying about how your spoiled, entitlement issue having self isn't going to win something you don't deserve anyway.

Considering there are at least three or four other contestants in the competition that are clearly cheating by creating accounts and upvoting themselves, you'd think you guys could find something more worthwhile to complain about when it comes to the "spirit of the competition" than the fact somebody might donate the proceeds to a charity. Shameful.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "MSI Contest IS ON!"

  • 43 months ago
  • 2 points

And I've sent a complaint to the PCPP staff about this because there are clearly some contestants doing exactly THAT, and it's not only wrong and unfair to those who are following the rules, even the unwritten but obvious ones like this, but it's also likely to result in builds that are undeserving being upvoted more than far more relevant ones and I don't think that's what MSI had in mind. I REALLY doubt MSI is going to be happy about seeing a 2000.00 overclocking Skylake i5 build using a 212 EVO posted by a guy who had no idea liquid cooling was even a "thing". Disgraceful.

Comment reply on MacGoreth's Build Guide: MSI Build Your Dream PC Guide – “House Of The Red Dragon”

  • 43 months ago
  • 36 points

I don't understand how this build has received ANY votes. How can you possibly justify using a Hyper 212 EVO on a 2000.00 dollar build that incorporates a CPU and motherboard clearly meant for overclocking. The 212 EVO is a baseline budget option allowing for minimal overclocking, at best, unless you want a system that sounds like a flood recovery air mover anytime it's under load. Bad choice in my opinion, and almost certainly used not with the overall quality/performance of the build in mind, but only to make a budget so more flashy hardware could be included. To me, this equates as a fail.

Also, I agree that the level and origins of the votes for this build are almost certainly more than questionable.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gta v 1gb of vram settings"

  • 43 months ago
  • 1 point

Somebody hurry up and find a fire extinguisher. He's going to need it sooner or later. Heh, Bestec. That's great.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Skylake i7 6700k Availability"

  • 45 months ago
  • 1 point

And just for the record, it's now the end of November and there are still no lasting supplies of the 6700k. Newegg, NCIX and others get a few in, have them available for an hour or two and are once again out of stock. Supply seems to be a major point of contention for Intel on Skylake which is incredibly frustrating as they've have plenty of time to work out production issues on 14nm processes.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Skylake i7 6700k Availability"

  • 45 months ago
  • 1 point

Then you have also never heard of BIOS or UEFI. Motherboard firmware often comes out buggy and is corrected via revision releases. Not only does this happen, it's incredibly common, so yes, new CPUs can and do have bugs or stability issues since they require adequate and accurate firmware support in order to function.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can my PSU handle the R9 390?"

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

can't speak to why jonnyguru gave up on a tier list, but I wouldn't even attemp one

Exactly. 'Nuff said.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can my PSU handle the R9 390?"

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

You have some credible points, I can give you that. However, one, Dottorent does this on his own, for free, with no help, in his spare time, and with no "reward" aside from personal satisfaction for doing so. That means changes get made when he has time to make them. If there was a number of people or a group of staff involved that could immediately address concerns, then it would be understandable that more time should be put into the development of the list.

Also, some aspects of judging power supplies are subjective. What one reviewer likes to see, another may find distasteful. So there can be some amount of variance in the placement of very similar units that may have some minor but noticeable differences. You know that as well as I do. The main reason I felt the need to even comment in the first place was due to the nature of the comments being made here.

it's literally a list without a single sourced review, platform info or anything on the units it contains.

To me, that's a comment looking for heat.

and there you have the big issue, because he's not an expert and apparently not the most informed person either

and that.

I suggest Tom's mods and tier list thumpers in general stay inside their bubble over at Tom's forum.

and that.

And then we have this:

Even jonnyguru agrees that the tier list is flawed and there are tons of noticable flaws in it.

which I know wasn't you, but is part of what brought me into the conversation. Sure, Jonny says the list is flawed, and it is, but it's still a very good resource for exactly the reasons you mentioned previously. Any member who doesn't know **** from shinola, wants to get a good PSU and doesn't really care a whit about learning the platform or specifics, is not going to go wrong using that list as a tool for helping to determine the best unit they can obtain within their financial means. There are no Tier 1 or 2 units listed that are lousy. As far as I'm concerned, there are no tier 3 or 4 units listed that don't belong there for one reason or another.

And after we invited Jonny to participate in getting the tier list "tweaked" into shape, to be a bit more accurate and all encompassing, which he said he would do, instead he began working on his own tier list so he could "show us all" how it's really done. Well, after tiering about twenty or thirty units, it appears he realized how time consuming it was going to be and that there was unlikely to be a lot of personal gain to be had from it, and abandoned the effort. Since Dottorent has been working on this list off and on as time allows (And no, I have no idea what his personal life is like or whether he could in fact contribute a bit more time investment in the list) for as long as I've been at Tom's and longer, I think all things considered it beats any other list out there in terms of helping users avoid undesirable units, which really, is the main reason any of us gives a **** about this subject in the first place.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can my PSU handle the R9 390?"

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

I could do that on a napkin at lunch.

Yeah, I'm sure. I'd suggest you do so, so we can critique your version. Maybe it WILL be an improvement, in which case, it will be a good resource to add to the list of other resources, which is all the tier list is supposed to be. It's not intended to be a bible. If somebody thinks they're qualified and capable of creating a PSU bible, do it. All I ever hear or see is talk about how wrong it is but what I DON'T see is anybody stepping up to the table. Like the saying goes, "put up or shut up". And I don't just specifically mean you PBF, I just mean all the naysayers in general.

If anybody aside from those who regularly frequent the tier list ever bothered to read through the whole thread, you'd know that the reviews and platform particulars ARE referenced as changes to the list are made. Just because it isn't noted next to each unit, doesn't mean the details aren't there to see.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can my PSU handle the R9 390?"

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

if you can't see the glaring inaccuracies that remain in your "tier list" at a glance you're too misinformed to be so bold. I suggest Tom's mods and tier list thumpers in general stay inside their bubble over at Tom's forum. they'd be alot happier IMO.

That's the kind of comment that just goes to show the small minded, elitist attitudes that never result in anything being accomplished for any kind of "greater good", but is only self serving. Congratulations, you made yourself feel good by slinging condescension at others. Being intelligent enough to grasp the tenets that escape others does not in any way make you superior, but I suspect you already know that which is why you feel the need to make those kinds of comments.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can my PSU handle the R9 390?"

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Well, I'll tell you what. When you feel frisky enough to attempt a list of your own, in any form, let us know. We'll be waiting. A long time I suspect. Now you can argue that a tier list can't possibly take every aspect of power supply manufacture and quality into account, as that would be an impossible task for a single person. It would require a rather large staff and some decent resources. And you'd be right. Which is why the work that HAS been done should be applauded, not torn down over what are really less meaningful details of the overall picture.

The list isn't intended to be an all encompassing platform for experienced enthusiasts or power supply aficionados, it's there to help basic users and novice enthusiasts avoid catastrophic choices and offer them a fairly accurate, if somewhat incomplete, framework of choices by which they can determine a model that has been determined to be better or worse, to varying degrees, according to whatever information is available via the few reputable testing sites, platform data and WHAT WE SEE day after day in the forums, even when that data may go against the grain of an otherwise reputable review. We all know many of the units are hand picked, and not of the same quality, on average, as what you'd buy off the shelf. We also know other models get purchased specifically for the purpose of avoiding that pitfall. None of that comes out in a review, it's only seen or can be determined by way of common consensus gathered from other users on the forums.

We also know that many of the units that do well in initial testing, would test for crap if they were retested 6 months, a year or a year and a half after the initial review if they were used like any other member's power supply was used on a daily basis under sustained loads over time. All of this information DOES get consideration when Dottorent tiers a device. And as mentioned, just because two units use the same base platform, does not in any way mean you have equal hardware. There are clear differences in cooling hardware, cooling policies and other considerations like cable quality and warranty that all factor in as to why two units based on the same platform may end up on disparate tiers.

I submit that for what it's intended to do, the tier list is a valuable resource. Not for PSU experts, advanced enthusiasts or electronics engineers, but for the audience it's intended to target, which are folks who would otherwise not have an inkling of which models were good, ok or terrible otherwise. Is it 100% accurate down to the last cap on a given platform? No. But it's not intended to be. If any of you naysayers think for a minute you can create and maintain a more relevant, meaningful and detailed method of presenting power supplies for selection, be it a tier list or some other methodology, please, by all means, show everybody how badass you are and do it. A resource like that would be invaluable to all the tech forums.

Otherwise, shut up and quit bashing something you aren't willing to put the necessary time in to create or help with in a MEANINGFUL fashion. It's easy to knock the work of others when we don't have to put in any ourselves.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can my PSU handle the R9 390?"

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

Anybody who says the Tier list at Tom's is crap is either in somebody's pocket, works at one of the sites that reviews power supplies that will go unmentioned since we DON'T want to be uncouth like them or has no clue what they are talking about. If you disagree, I invite you to come discuss power supplies with us and explain exactly why it is you think as you do. Considering all the units ranked there are based off reviews from REPUTABLE professional reviews, platform specifics and issues that are reported in regular enough frequency to outweigh sales figure considerations, there is no basis for argument against it's validity.

Comment reply on Woody1999's Completed Build: Who needs colour when you have WHITE?

  • 47 months ago
  • 0 points

Exactly. Well, he could probably DO it, it would certainly not be stable though and would either crash as soon as anything demanding was loaded or be constantly introducing errors into the file system proactively.

Comment reply on Woody1999's Completed Build: Who needs colour when you have WHITE?

  • 47 months ago
  • 3 points

Some people try to see racism in everything, even when it's not there. It's ok to be proud if you're a non-white ethnic group, but it's not when you're white. Now THAT, is racist.

Comment reply on Woody1999's Completed Build: Who needs colour when you have WHITE?

  • 47 months ago
  • 1 point

CPU-Z screenshot, or it didn't happen. Same as always. 5.04 @ 1.275 is at best very skeptical, at worst, almost certainly unlikely. And I'd prefer to see Prime running in a window beside it. Anybody can achieve 5Ghz but doing it and keeping it stable are two different things.

Comment reply on Blog Post "Site Update, Part 2"

  • 54 months ago
  • 2 points

I'd just be happy to see all of the products listed showing accurate and available pricing. There are a LOT of components that were showing pricing on the old layout that are no longer showing any values in those fields despite being readily available on any number of the listed vendor sites.

I'd also be glad to see a more accurate reflection of the available hardware. If the hardware is NOT available, from any of the listed vendors, it shouldn't even show in the filtered list.

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