Must say the (transparent) screen that iBuyPower use as the side panel window is quite unique. (Of course others place the displays within a 2.5 inch slot on the side of the psu shroud but most wont be as clean)
+1 on the white theme and the order/cleanliness!
The grey fans on the white radiator look amazing!
Great Job. (I just finished liking your other build for the white and purple color scheme.)
Ghost S1 = +1! Enough said.
No but seriously great build, just love that case. Never pre-ordered one but ever since seeing it, I have been drawing up builds for a living room couch gaming pc. (Also not really looking to spend the money on a 2080ti right now and the 2080/2070 shouldn't exist/dont make any sense in the current state in my opinion so those too are out of the question) (1080ti or 2080ti are the only 2 options really)
How is the 2600x with the 1080ti? I've been looking at the 2600(non x) paired with a 2080ti for starters in a secondary build but may end up swapping the 8700k in my current build.
Awesome to start seeing builds on this site in the Louqe Ghost S1! And you sure put a whole lot of power in such a tiny case, I love it. This machine must be blazing fast.
I've been looking at building either in the Ghost S1 or a similar case for a living room couch gaming pc but haven't decide to bite the bullet just yet. (Waiting to see how the GPU market looks in the next year or so especially in terms of 4k gaming)
Also not to take away from this build but your other builds are great as well. Your choice in cases is fantastic.
Apologies..... shouldn't have said gpu but between the radiator and where the top of psu shroud ends? Just wondering as I currently have the MSI 1070 gaming (so not mini) and it extends past the top of the psu shroud.
Also, its hard to tell with the tempered glass but what kind of clearance were you looking at with the GPU and Radiator?
I know the feeling........ The LOUQE Ghost S1 in particular has peeked my interest (more so than the Dan and Ncase, although both seemed to be great)
You should be able to place the fan more centrally so that it blows directly onto the GPU but also reaches the CPU. And with the fan pulling air directly from the CPU and out of the case you should have no problem with temps.
1 may help gpu more while the other may help the cpu more. All depends on what you are comfortable with.
Great job on the parts and making the system truly your own. (Awesome to see more custom loops in the H200) If I had the money, I believe I would turn my current setup into something very similar to this. (However its not easy to get parts where I live, especially in terms of liquid cooling.)
Going from the specifications on Asrock's site for the motherboard mentioned you have:
1 x CPU Fan Connector (4-pin) ------ Use for CPU Cooler
1 x CPU/Water Pump Fan Connector (4-pin) (Smart Fan Speed Control) ----- Use this for the 2nd fan.
1 x Chassis Fan Connector (4-pin)------Use this for the 3rd and final fan (For now)
If I am understanding what your saying correctly you would like to use the 2 included case fans and the fan for the heatsink. If this is the case you should be fine without a splitter but if you were looking to add more then you would need either a splitter or a hub. (That statement applies if you weren't getting the H200i version, as that version has the smart device which can act as a hub)
Sticking with the 3 fans I would keep the 1 in the rear as an exhaust. Then I would move the 1 up top to the front as an intake catching both the GPU and CPU.
Not a problem. I try to help out as much as possible. This site is all about sharing whether it be Ideas, opinions, builds or knowledge.
Let me know if there is anything else I could help with.
Truly is a great monitor! I have had no problems with the monitor or the GTX 1070.
Depends on what settings your prefer or don't mind playing at. I mainly play at a mix of high and low settings. Game looks perfectly fine if you know what you need and don't need. For R6 Siege I gathered the following for you.
Benchmark (Not always representative of online gameplay):
Ultra - average of 84fps
High - average of 97fps
Medium - average of 114fps
Low - average of 145fps
My Settings - average of 136fps
Actual online gameplay (eyeballing here):
Ultra - Hovers in the 80s but never really drops below 60
High - Hovers in the 90s but never really drops below 80
Medium - Hovers around 110 but never really drops below 90
Low - Hovers around 130 but never really drops below 115
My Settings - Hovers around 122-140 but never really drops below 115
Hope some of these numbers help but the 1070 has been perfect for 1440p gaming for me. I don't need my settings to be Ultra for shooters. But when it comes to singleplayer games I will of course turn the graphics up (sometimes a little tweaking is needed) but the 1070 still performs great. Most games you will get a at least 60 or more fps at Ultra. (except for GR Wildlands.......lol)
Glad to see someone using a Metallic Gear case. Not many people know about them but they offer a decent value.
How was your experience working with the case?
At the time I don't remember which ones specifically but if you can compare each driver version and install the latest either from the cd, software or website. Its always a good idea to grab the latest drivers from the manufacturers website.
Awesome! Ill keep an eye out for it.
Correct I am using 2 6+2 (8pin) cables for my GPU. (I've overclocked my gpu significantly since I posted this build, as my temps in the case were fantastic in comparison to my last pc. So like I said just keep that in mind but either way you should be fine.)
Let me know if you have any more questions. Ill be happy to help out as much as I can.
Reference photo #6, you can see what I mean below.
So my GPU needs an 8pin & a 6pin. I used to separate cables (both "8pin" cables (6+2), but for the 6 pin connection I didn't use the +2). On my old pc I used to use a single cable with the same GPU. Just be mindful if your going to be overclocking. It should be fine to use it either way however I've seen where it is recommended to use 2 separate power cables due to power limits (and its also wont hurt to be safe).
If I remember correctly either Jayz2Cents or GamersNexus did a video on this a while back.
I hope that makes sense. Let me know and don't worry about asking questions. Thats what the site is for!
No cable extensions used. The following are the cables that I used for the build:
24pin cable - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MYXXPR1/?tag=pcpapi-20
Rest of the PSU Cables (Sadly doesnt come with 24 pin) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BJMDISO/?tag=pcpapi-20
Fan splitter cable - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07655KMKV/?tag=pcpapi-20
Not too sure about individual lengths but should be found on Amazon or Corsairs's site.
The h200 (non i) doesn't come with a fan hub. The h200i comes with NZXT's "smart" hub which acts as a rgb/fan hub for their monitoring software. I just put to show that there are plenty of options for you to go with.
Like others have stated, the nzxt aio's are a bit pricey and for the performance you can find others that are cheaper. (Especially for someone that isn't interested in RGB)
As for overclocking the i5 is perfectly fine, depending on whether you luck out or not. (If your lucky you can easily get an i5 past 5ghz)
I wouldn't hold your breath on the 2070 as the RTX prices are quite ridiculous and the RTX 2080 (not ti) had rather disappointing benchmarks. (Making the Ti the only worth while RTX card for now without any supported games) If the 2080 beats the 1080ti by a little then the 2070 will be in an awkward position between the 1080 and the 1080ti (cough cough the whole weird idea of the 1070ti). I would go for a 1080ti (if you can find a reasonable price) (and depending on when you would like to build this).
As stated by Oolon, it would be best to go with an SFX psu in the h200 (I would know because I use one in the case) to help the GPU. Down below I have placed a popular SFX psu from corsair which I also use in my build and have had no problems with it so far. (GPU temps are perfectly fine with my 1070) If you would like to explore other cases I would take a look at the Fractal Design Nano S (has some noise dampening material) and I do believe that Metallic Gear (subsidiary of Phanteks) will be coming out with some itx cases that may be worth looking into.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
Pulling air straight in from outside with minimal interference (due to case segmentation) so temps should be almost as good as it gets on air. The case is well worth it from what I have seen, it just needs the right parts and attention to detail.
I don't think cable management can get any better than that when it comes to the A4.
Well done and great job on the part selection too!
No problem, thats what this site is for.
Awesome build! Saw each episode of the build and I got to say you put the effort into this one (However painful). Not sure how I feel about the reservoir (placement or size)(Its unique, I cant deny that) but I understand the restrictions. Cable Management on the other hand.........all I can say is Well Done!
I look forward to each video you post so keep up the great work.
Thanks! and no problem. The strix z370i only has three fan headers (CPU, Pump and Chassis). In order for me to use more than 3 fans I had to use a fan splitter. This allows for 2 or more fans (depending on what you get) to be connected and powered through 1 fan header. You do have to keep in mind power limits (You should be fine unless your using more than 2) You can purchase fan hubs like this https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-System-Cables-Black-CPF04/dp/B00VNW556I/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1536759322&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=pc+fan+hub which will also serve the purpose of adding additional fans to your system.
This is the fan splitter that I used in this build : https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ns8TW/noctua-na-syc1-chromaxwhite-y-cables
Also keep in mind that some cases do come with hubs and maybe even a fan splitter or two. I used the H200 (non i) from NZXT however the H200i does come with a "Smart" hub which also acts as a fan and rgb hub. (It costs more but depending on what you plan to do with it then the price maybe justified)
Hopefully (and you probably do) have more than 1 header available on you motherboard but like I said above the more fans you use on a single header the more the power being delivered has to be split. Check out your motherboard manufacturers manual or website for information.
I know your pain when it comes to managing the cables in the H200. (I recently completed mine) Love the case and its easy to keep them tidy around the back but for the Motherboard and GPU connections, at least for me gave some issues. (Had to re-adjust the cable combs quite a bit before getting it anywhere decent)
Nice build tho!
I do not but either way it was still acting up. Might have to check support just thought I would post here as well.
Thanks! No discrimination to any companies here lol. If you have a product that works and is great then ......enough said. Love both companies as they both put out some good products. Same goes for MSI and ASUS. (And all the other ones that take their time and put out quality instead of quantity) (Not to say that all their products are great but .....)
As for the GPU, my cousin offered me his 1070 at half price as he was looking to upgrade to a 1080ti. I shook his hand, pulled out my wallet and payed the man. In all seriousness, this was around the time that the "mining craze" was picking up again last year so GPU prices were only beginning to inflate (again). (He had the card since launch in 2016)
Thanks for the comment, I tried to keep everything tidy. The pictures don't do it justice and I'm kinda sad I don't have a better camera.
Good timing, JayzTwoCents just put out a good video on the topic, have a watch and then ask yourself the question again.
I recently upgraded from a 3570k t0 8700k (Used GTX1070 for both) and while the builds potential is far and away better than the previous one, you may not see the performance difference (in terms of gaming) that you might think or hope. Especially if your keeping the 1060 in favor of a newer cpu. You yourself said you havent seen or encountered any issues with the games that you are currently playing. (At 1080p (I assume) the i5 shouldnt hold back the 1060)
Like I said have a watch of the video and think about the points and ask yourself whats necessary and what can I live with for the moment so my money isn't wasted.
Really I would say both. Now I understand budgeting constraints but If you can find a 4770k or 4790k (Even non-k variants) for cheap (used even) and get a good deal on a 1070 that would be perfect for your needs. (Getting the haswell i7 would save you from having to switch motherboards) (No more than $150 I would say otherwise you may as well start fresh)
Stuck between a rock and a hard place my friend. I made the choice a while back and opted for the gpu upgrade but my cpu was overclockable so I got a little more juice out of it.
What is your budget then, I assume its up to say $450 at least for a 1070?
Thanks and same goes to you. (Your 2 h200i builds are great)
It depends. If your building in this case or with an itx mobo then you may have to shift the fan up as they are quite tall. I had to do so for the Vengeance (Not by much but still). On say a atx motherboard I would say you would be perfectly fine.
In both cases I would pay attention to the fan thickness if you plan on switching from the stock Noctua fan. As if the eloop in my build was ever so slightly thinner, I could have left it flush ("or more flush with the heatsink")
There are other heatsinks that take ram clearance into consideration more than the noctua's. I think cryorig does a good job at offsetting the heatsinks.
The heatsink is what cools the CPU. CPU's run extremely hot and need some form of cooling to stop them from overheating, you cant have a pc build without some sort of CPU cooling. The reason you didn't see it with the Ryzen build and weren't prompted to add one is because that cpu comes with its own heatsink. The 8400 comes with a stock Intel heatsink but the 212 evo has proven for years and years to be a better option for fairly cheap.
As for the prompt for the motherboard that just means that when using the m.2 slot you will be "disabling" a sata port. Theres multiple sata ports and currently you only have 1 other sata drive so you would just have to make sure to plug it into the right port.
I do like the simple look but nice design of the NZXT H500 (In your case the non-i variant)
Instead of the Node 304 I would take a look at the FD Core 500. (Same price I believe but offers additional features (Less storage capacity but not by much))(Unless of course your prefer the aesthetics of the 304)
As for the swapping of parts, you should be fine as long as you are careful!
Im afraid I cant speak for the need of a Bios update as it varies between boards. If you are worried about that then I would go ahead and look at a similarly priced B450 motherboard.
Vs This Build
When it comes to ratings the 200r released in 2012 and the Haf 912 came out in 2010 if Im not mistaken. The Meshify released I believe exactly 1 year ago and the h500 some time this year I think so when it comes to ratings the cheaper option that has been on the market for much longer will have more ratings.
I can guarantee though that when its comes to the 2 things you want (Airflow & "Easy to clean") the Meshify will wipe the floor with the other 2 options. The other 2 are dated and will not be as user friendly as cases that are releasing now. (Also when I look on newegg the meshify has 174 reviews and has 5 eggs. Still not as much as the others but I think you get the point)
You wont notice any speed difference in regards to the ssds. The psu should be fine but I would just say to use your best judgement as you don't want to skimp out on the component that powers everything else.
As for the case here are a few options for airflow and cleanliness that I would recommend: (Some are just different options of the same case) I can Highly recommend any variant of the Fractal Design Meshify Series, you will not be disappointed with the performance and quality! It would be well worth the $20 to $40 more over the cases you have selected.
Whats your budget as you could save a lot of money swapping out the cpu cooler and motherboard for starters. (It seems you really want the RGB so I wont talk about the fans and ram)
The power supply should be fine, how long have you had it?
You may be able to get the 860 evo cheaper than the 850 evo so I would do some more researcher there. I would also recommend a different case. (Do you have a budget that you wish to spend on the case or maybe a size limitation?)
The 212 evo is a good choice for starters and better than the stock cooler so thats fine.
Swap the Noctua fan with the Noiseblocker if your against Noctua's color scheme. (Otherwise save 25 by taking out the Noiseblocker)
Not saying that you need to go with an unlocked CPU just saying that with the ram selected and by buying a Z370 mobo you will get the best use out of it with an unlocked cpu. Above you can see a quick mock up build if you were to go with say the 8600k. (Psu and monitor not included) This can be changed to bring the price down but I'm just showing you what differences can be made.
You could always get the i5 8400 and down the line have the option to upgrade due to the Z370 mobo.
Could probably get a case with better airflow than the one listed above but this was just quickly done to show you as I am short on time right now but if you would like we can take a more in depth look at a build later.
I would say if your not planning to use the "Smart" hub in the H200i you could save some money by getting the H200 (non i). That money if you wanted could be used elsewhere for fans, storage, etc.
I recently purchased the H200 (non i) as I knew I wouldn't be using the "Smart" hub. (Havent received it as yet but just letting you know that there is that option)
The B360 Chipset will indeed limit you to 2666. This site has a decent break down on Ram scaling for both Coffee Lake and Ryzen: (https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/8269/3/the-benefits-of-fast-ram-with-intel-coffee-lake-a-amd-ryzen-2-dont-miss-out-on-performance-intel-coffee-lake-scaling-in-games) Please have a look and decide, now of course if you decide to go with a z370 motherboard then the case will be locked vs unlocked on that chipset. (Unlocked being the best option while a little more expensive)
How much would you be looking to spend on a case and cooler? I ask as you weren't planning to change them before so I dont want you to break the bank/budget.
I saw that it flagged that but I see that the h200 comes with a sfx psu adapter. I also saw in gamernexus's video for the h200 that the sfx psu helped allow more airflow for the gpu which would otherwise be in a tight squeeze.
I recently upgraded my PC from 2013 which had an i5 3570k and a Radeon 7950 so I know what you mean. The processor is a great choice if your looking to stick with Intel (AMD does have solid choices now). The GPU should last you quite a while if you plan to stick with 1080p as at that resolution you should be able to crank it up to ultra for the time being(Id say next 2 or so years). Its also good that you paired the 8400 with a B360 motherboard, now I cant speak for the quality of the chosen board but Im sure its a safe bet. Your ram and storage choices are also quite good.
I would definitely swap the stock cooler out and also swap your case if its within the budget. Over the last year or so case prices have for the most part gone down and you can now get some of the best cases for under $100. Let me know if you want recommendations on a cooler or case if you dont have any in mind. The PSU should be fine.
"After all, gaming is my main priority on this computer for now."
Intel build it is then!
Im afraid there is no "Extra ontop" when half of the parts are shared and the only main differences between the builds are that one has a better cpu and the other has a better gpu.
However I addressed your concerns about "compatibility, future upgrades, versatility" above. AMD buid it is!
"(duh)" ........... now now (no need for this)