So the razer blackwidow torunament edition is on sale for £55 at ebuyer which ive decided to go for.
Thanks, I'll definitely gave a look at them
I have 8gb of ram and i have no problems whatsoever with any game. 8gb is plenty for overwatch , heck it's plenty enough that i run GTA V and Witcher 3 at ultra with no problems
The fractal design define c is the case you're looking for. I had an r5 and hated the bulk of it. Until the define c came out there weren't any really small atx cases,b even an s340 or p400 aren't that small. Check the dimension and I think you'll find that is footprint is smaller than many micro atx cases and I think all other atx cases that has a standard layout. yet it fits fully atx components. I've got the c and I love it
Thanks for all the input guys. Ive decided to go with two strips at each the back and front which should do nicely. Cablemod would be quite expensive so I've got two phanteks ones instead.
you could easily shave some money off both porkyvilles and naorpoled's builds. your not going above 1080p, and your not doing any video rendering so you have no use for the 8gb rx 480. you can shave off about £40 by getting the 4gb model instead and see no performance losses.
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I can speak from (mostly) personal experience, I originally bought a define r5, which is, after you take away the mass of hard drive cages and 5.25" drive is the same case to the define s but have recently bought a define c to move my computer into.
the define s/r5 are for people who need all that space, when I first got the r5 I didn't realise how big it was (it shares near identical dimensions to the define s). theres so much space its perfect for custom water loops or aio's, is easy to build in and no restrictions. if you get a define s, youll have a case which will serve extremely well for future upgradeability, whether that be a mass of hard drives, cooling or gpu support.
the reason I moved to a define c is because I have no use for that space, I hated the bulkiness of the r5, and when the define c came I was revelling in how much smaller the define c is. ive got no use for any water cooling, no need for more than 2 hard drives and I wanted a clean looking build which the power supply shroud provided, although the shroud does make it slightly cramped to build in, and is suppose you wont have as much need for one unless youre having the window
so ultimately it depends on what your needs are, the define c is for the average builder, like myself who just want a decent gaming rig, no need for all the wasted space that are in so many atx cases out there. whereas the s/r5 are for people who want that extra space for upgradeabtility, expansion and large storage/cooling. take in mind though that you will have to pay a slight premium for the c since it is a new product
NZXT s340 is currently £61 for black https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ms6BD3/nzxt-case-cas340wb1 or £55 for white https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vpdqqs/nzxt-case-cas340ww1
it depends on what you want to achieve and what games you want to play.
if you want to play games like civilization and strategy games a 1060 should be good since framerate and maximum graphics output isn't that important. if you want to play bigger games however youll need a more powerful card. games such as grand theft auto, rise of the tomb raider and witcher 3 etc.... a 1060 will not push a pleasurable experience. if your happy with 30-50 fps on most games at high-ish settings then a 1070 will suffice you, but if you want to achieve more, like 60 fps ultra then a gtx 1080 is the last you will require.
The best thing for you to do is look at benchmarks, have a google at gtx 1060/70/80 4k benchmarks. most will cover a wide variety of games and you can see how they perform to the games you want to play. here are a good set of benchmarks for a gtx 1070/80 then you can make a decision on what graphics card you need. http://techgage.com/article/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review-a-look-at-1440p-4k-ultra-wide-gaming/4/
If you are planning on playing bigger games a gtx 1070 should suffice if your happy with 30+ fps for most games. if you wait for some sales you might find a good deal and you can sli in the future if you need more firepower, or if you can wait a bit and save, a gtx 1080 would be an excellent investment. Take into account though, that 4k is an incredibly demanding resolution, and there are even games where a gtx 1080 can barely push 30 fps at ultra detail
AMD have just announced ReLive, which is amds equivalent to shadowplay, also you can save money and futureproof by getting an rx 480, same performance and price as a gtx 1060 but it has the option of adding an extra card in the future.
Quick question, what 4K monitor have you got? I'm looking to upgrade to 4K. And Im wondering wether 27/8 inches is enough to utilise all the pixels
so i managed to fix it, not sure what the problem was.
i unconnected everything non essential, graphics card, wifi card, hard drive, ssd and the dvd reader. so all i was left was motherboard, cpu and cooler and the psu
I tried booting but still the same problem. i then moved the ram to a different slot, and rather than the cpu light coming on it stayed off and the dram light came up instead. i then retried the ram in the other two slots and i got a shell message on my display. then put the ram back in the original slot and everything worked fine. computer booted up into windows perfectly. reinstalled everything and its working like nothing ever went wrong, the ram probably just came a bit loose (although im not sure how). thought id post this incase anyone else has/gets a similar problem to me.
This would outperform the laptop in gaming, I would have added an sad, but that would mean having to cut down on either the cpu or gpu, so as long as your fine with a couple more seconds for boot up time this'll do good
Fractal design mini c
One of the smallest micro atx cases, silent and a nice big window
i think another factor to what other people has said is price, as silly as it seems, mini itx isnt budget oriented, the cheapest mini itx motherboard on pcpartpicker is around £60, whereas a micro atx is near £40. cases as well are more expensive, the cheapest here is £40 for an itx, whereas you can get good micro or atx cases like a fractal core for £25 +
Fractal design c has just launched, which os a compact atx mid tower , looking at the dimensions its smaller than an s340 or pretty much all other atx cases
Eh, why get a mini itx motherboard with an atx case? Especially when mini itx is more expensive than micro atx motherboards. Also, you can get a 4gb rx480 sapphire nitro for £200 rather than a 470, something like this would be far better
I have a 1060 and it plays fine at 1440p high/ultra. I get 45+ fps on witcher 3 with only 2/3 settings down to high. GTA V plays at 60 fps
your GPU cost more money than my entire computer...
If you buy an Evga gpu and a new gpu comes out ( I think within 90 days after you buy your gpu) you can 'upgrade' to the newest one by just paying the difference + shipping fees sending your gpu back
Never cheap out on a psu if your building a high end system (which you are). Better to spend en extra $20 on a power supply than a new PC. For reference use the picture on here http://i.imgur.com/361pNaI.png
Anything from tier 1 and 2 will do you very well. The supernova nex you've got there is listed as a highly unrecommended power supply
I run an i5 6500 and a gtx 1060 at 1440p.
I get 60fps in GTA V, mostly very high settings with a few tweaked down to high. Skyrim with realvision is a straight 60fps unless I'm in a very grassy area. Witcher 3 is about 45fps at ultra with foliage visibility and one other setting (I can't quite remember) down to high but if I Overclock the gpu I get about 50-55 fps. Battlefield 1 beta was at ultra 60fps. Fallout 4 is about 45-50 fps with mostly ultra settings with a few tweaked down to high.
So yes, from personal experience it can handle most games at ultra settings 60fps and for those you don't, it's hittable by just decreasing quality from ultra to high. Just make sure if you get one that it's the 6GB version, because I use more than 3gb vram in some games and the 3gb is also slower.
I highly doubt they will drop anytime soon, they're both very new graphics cards, if your only going to use the 1060 for a few months before upgrading to a 1070, then I'd suggest just waiting it out, or if your desperate get a 750ti/950, maybe a 960 and save some money in the long run
Apart from the fact that for a micro atx case it's massive. In fact its bigger than a few full atx cases, the corsair carbide 400c would be better, it's smaller and fits a full atx motherboard
interesting case, but its quiet deep, and fairly extravagant, whereas something a little more subtle would be better
thanks for the suggestion , it looks like a nice case and very thin, but its a bit too deep for what im looking for
haha. I absolutely love the look of the new corsair air 740 though, however looking at the dimensions, its an absolutely massive case
i absolutely love the concept and design of the Thermaltake Core G3, but its only got 2 expansion slots, whereas i need 3 as my wifi card uses one. do you know where i could possibly find any more 'slim' atx cases?
Given you a great gtx 1060 and a 1440p monitor that will handle it superbly, the i5 6600k is excellent for gaming and a bit of photo editing, a reliable SSD for Windows. Of which I've given you a full version so you can upgrade the motherboard down the time if you so wish, speaking of which the motherboard comes with wifi. The case although being an itx is simple and no harder to build in its full atx counterpart but is much smaller and compact. If you want full atx so you could expand further down the line you can get a case like the NZXT S340 and replace the motherboard with a a full atx, I'd suggest the Asus z170-a if you do. Although most full atx motherboards don't come with wifi so you would have to buy a separate wifi card if you needed it.
Eh. I'm running a gtx 1060 at 1440p and I get 60 fps in every game bar witcher 3 where I'm at 45-50 fps. With only a few settings dropped from ultra to high in most games if not all at ultra
Size has nothing to do with performance ;). Seriously though the 1060 mini only has one fan because the zotac mini uses the reference pcb which is tiny. Because it's so small and runs on the newer and more efficient architecture the 1060 draws less power, is more powerful and exhausts much less heat so it doesn't need massive cooling solutions.
The 1060 mini has more vram, runs cooler, draws less power and performs better than the 970 for not much more. And because the 1060 is newer odds are you would have to replace the 970 earlier if you got one (unless you want the possibility of sli configurations).
The 1060 should easily handle cs:go while streaming. Streaming while playing requires a lot more from the cpu than gpu anyway.
As a matter of fact I have the zotac gtx 1060 mini in my computer and it performs incredibly well at 1080p and 1440p if your interested in that. Although if your only interested in games like cs:go and tf2 and aren't concerned about maxing out games then you don't really need that powerful a card, something like a 960 or even a gtx 950 or Rx 460 would suffice. But if you wanted to play a bit of witcher 3, bf1 or GTA v on the side you'll be very impressed with the 1060's performance
For your budget I've done a build which will breeze past 1440p gaming (trust me 1440p looks great) the i5 6500 is more than enough for gaming and the 980ti will smash games at ultra 1440p, the case is obviously interchangeable to your preferences. SSD for operating system and maybe one small game then hard drive for other games and storage.
There's no option for Belgium when making a list so I used France, I don't know if vat or tax is higher in Belgium but hopefully it should stay under 1600 euros, if not you could always reduce the monitor size from 27" to 24" or even down to a 1080p monitor
I've only got 8gb of 2133 DDR4 ram and I haven't ran into any problems yet. You won't need more than 8gb unless your running loads of programs, documents and webpages in the background while gaming or if you'r streaming/video editing. higher ram speeds only have a minute change in gaming performance so save some money and If it comes to a point where 8gb of ram isn't enough anymore you can just buy another stick.
There is absolutely no need for a 1070 for 1080p gaming. I'm using an i5 6500 and a gtx 1060 (and only have 8gb of ram) and i get 50 fps witcher 3 ultra, GTA v and Skyrim realvision I'm at 60. And I play at 1440p. A 1060 is more than enough for your needs by the sounds of it
And by the point all games are fully DX12/Vulkan you'll probably be buying a new gpu anyway
if you dropped the speakers you could upgrade to an i7 6700k, but this would be more than adequate
I'd love to be able to go mITX, but I'd have to replace half of my PC to do so due to component sizes. I've seen the riotoro CR 1080 but it's only available in the USA (I'm in the uk) otherwise I'd get that.
I'm currently looking at the corsair carbide 400c, I know the NZXT s340 is pretty small but I don't like the look of the case
how did you manage to route the power supply cables? ive currently got that power supply but my build is in a define r5 and im contemplating moving it into a nano s since the r5 is just too big for my liking, but i'm unsure if id have to buy a smaller power supply
what do you need it for? If your doing video/photo editing and rendering or streaming then it looks good. But if your only gaming then you can drop the cpu to an i5 6600k, I've got an i5 6500 and it's more than enough for gaming
This should do
Or if you wanted less cores and better performance per core
I couldn't decide which to get, and both are really limited in stock so I just ordered the first one I could find that wasn't massively overinflated in price, so I'm sitting here with a zotac gtx 1060
you might be thinking dollars, for up to £55 I've got options for either adata, pny, crucial, Sandisk or Kingston. Which one of those is the most reliable?
Ideally one around the 240GB mark at around £50 I know i can get loads of options, ot sure which is the most reliable budget SSD brand?
As invader said, you can't get all you want in that budget, for 600 I can get this (presuming no monitors, keyboards, mouse and operating system are required)
I can get you the case, video card and power supply, but you won't get your motherboard in. You could increase your processor to an i5 if you were willing to go for a cheaper case and a semi modular power supply
Is that a push/pull or just pull? I can't quite tell
nice build. How is the Case? is it sturdy and is the build quality alright? im torn between using the 400C or spending a bit more and getting a phanteks EVOLV for my build.
Oh ok. The pictures of the LED's from the manufacturers website shows a little controller, like a very mini to remote
Just a question after removing your fans from the radiator is there still two fans left on it, I can't quite tell in the pics, I'm going to buy this case and would like this cooler but want to make sure theirs room
Nice build, I'm looking to do something very similar, I'm going to use the same case. How are the LED lights?, did you get the magnetic, or foam and 30cm or 60? Also is the controller alright, it looks a bit plasticky
Ŵhat would you suggest?