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Comment reply on Forum Topic "Upgrading my CPU i5-8400 to i7-8700k"

  • 11 days ago
  • 3 points

I want to know if the change is good or not and if so, what cooler should I get with it as well?

I believe you're also asking whether it's worth upgrading. We will need more info. Whats the intended use (gaming/streaming/editing/rendering/etc)?

If it's purely for gaming, an 8700K/9700K upgrade + a suitable modifier motherboard (for overclocking/achieving higher factory configured boost clocks) isn't going to achieve any significant performance gains. The i5-8400 for these types of workloads (or similar) remains a beast!!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Keaken x62 fan upgrade"

  • 11 days ago
  • 2 points

If your radiator fans are connected to the X62 PUMP, the fan curve is configurable via CAM

If connected directly to a mobo fan header, use the BIOS fan controller

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Intel i9-9900K 240mm AIO"

  • 11 days ago
  • 1 point

Why not stick with the H100i and see how you get on?

If running the i9 at stock, performance-wise the H100i has you covered nicely. Manual overclocking with a 5Ghz+ target would be more leaning towards a 280mm rad with superior quality static pressure fans or even better a 360mm rad (which does imply upgrading to a compatible case).

or I get the Aorus AIO?

can't argue with personal preference. if it adds value from an aesthetics point of view and money is no object, the sky is the limit :)

Any particular reason why you're moving from a 9700 to a 9900K? (just curious)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Choosing a CPU"

  • 11 days ago
  • 1 point

What other deciding factors does everyone use to choose a CPU?

TBH, i've never used "socket compatible upgrade opportunities" as a "deciding factor" in determining a CPU purchase - I just grab the best possible hardware which compliments my personal performance targets and plan for a minimum of 3-4 years before considering an upgrade. At best, the socket prospect is a nice opportunistic bonus for the long run should forthcoming compatible upgrades prove worthy - which spells out 'significant performance uplift' per processor generation. Doesn't always go to plan either as current chipsets, BIOS parameters or power delivery/VRM solutions on some motherboards can be limiting or even incompatible.

Where this can be seen as a pre-determined "deciding factor" is when faced with constricted budgets. You might not be able to achieve the desired performance with limited funds hence an upgradable socket with a cheaper (or previous gen) CPU today in exchange for something superior later down the line makes sense. Depending on your workloads, if you're already capable of achieving exceptional performance which is going to last "several years" you don't need to worry about socket upgrade possibilities. More likely, a solid build today should last several years to come (3-5yrs to say the least, or more) and by then switching-up from scratch with superior performance, greater optimisations and modern-feature-rich hardware will present greater possibilities for a full-swing upgrade (eg. DDR5 desktop platforms are rumoured/expected for 2022/earlier - even if it's 2023, that's only 3 years in the making).

Im unable to wait until then as my 7yr PC has just died.

More the reason to ignore socket revivalism! Although the current AM4 standard seems steady to support the impending 4th Gen Ryzen.

At the moment im looking at the Ryzen 7 3800X and im question the Threadrippers, although im worried if thats overkill.

For a more productive approach - it would help to know the following:

  1. Budget

  2. Purpose of use (gaming/streaming/editing/rendering/etc)

  3. Does the budget include the operating system and peripherals (display/keyboard/mouse/etc)

Generally, if the 3800X is reasonably priced over the 3700X, it does earn an occasionally observable 2% performance uplift. Otherwise, stick with the 3700X unless we can do better (performance/value) with your suggested workloads.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NZXT : Kraken King - Z73"

  • 11 days ago
  • 2 points

The 8-core/8-thread 9700K is a single threaded CPU and by default runs cooler than the 16-thread 9900K. This alone is a pretty good reason to save money and stick with the D15/U12A (literally either option, unless you fancy the D15's marginal performance gain) with a 5Ghz OC in mind.

The 360mm rad approach for a 9700K is purely optional and not necessary to achieve the OC performance target or safe temps.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Keaken x62 fan upgrade"

  • 12 days ago
  • 1 point

That makes sense - play around with the fan curve and see if you can manage your desired audible range whilst maintaining tolerable temps.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Keaken x62 fan upgrade"

  • 12 days ago
  • 2 points

...upto 4.25GHz all core....

Looks good! you're not going to see much difference in performance with superior fans.

The X62 is already a fanciful overkill for the 3600X and the only reason you might want to consider upgrading the stock fans is marginally lower temps + lower noise levels.

The 4.3-4.4Ghz boost clock is based on single core utilisation... not something you're going to heavily sustain via a wider spread of game core scalability

If you're attempting to achieve higher FPS counts in games, you'll be better off downtuning in-game quality configurations rather then spending more money (unless noise concerns suggest otherwise). Essentially, keeping things on top settings with slight adjustments here and there without losing the desired visual quality.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "CPU cooler AIO advice & mod"

  • 12 days ago
  • 1 point

Ryzen CPU's with either of these AIO options are already in excellent hands. Since manual overclocking is the least of your worries (Ryzen fares better with AMD's pre-configured boost/power draw profiles) you don't need to worry about "performance". Go with what suits you best in terms of the aesthetic appeal! (you don't need a 360mm rad)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Corsair H150i As Top Exhaust"

  • 12 days ago
  • 1 point

To clarify, is this a Enthoo Pro case (top 360mm supported) or a Enthoo Pro M (top and front 360mm supported). The "M" model requires the removal of hard disk tray in order to support front allocation.

If it's the non-M variant:

If not ideal for the CPU, is this okay to use as an exhaust?

"Exhaust" is best for top rad mount configurations. Heat travels upwards hence blow it out faster!

okay, should I be using a push or pull configuration to exhaust the air?

"Push" for maximum static press!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEED HELP finding parts for PC build for Graphic Design"

  • 12 days ago
  • 1 point

The inquirers sole purpose is "graphics design" where CPU single threaded superiority comes into play!

The graphics card is already overkill (1650 super) for a wider range of workload requirements in this field unless the buyer is invested in 4K/+ OR 10-bit HDR GPU accelerated workloads (unlikely, being the inquirer is seeking a college/work build and not a pro-studio based workstation)

Also not sure what makes the Focus G a better case (a decent option to say the least with a little better airflow) but doesn't even come close to the MG's feature-range (tempered glass, PSU shroud, sound dampening, greater PSU cable assortment headroom, wider expansion upgrade opportunities, etc.... oh and my personal preferenceL nice, clean and slick overall design aesthetics).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Streaming PC Parts List? Need help!"

  • 12 days ago
  • 2 points

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $149.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 @ B&H
Memory Team T-FORCE VULCAN TUF Gaming Allian 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $67.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $64.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Zotac GeForce GT 730 4 GB Video Card $79.99 @ B&H
Case Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $59.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $106.99 @ Other World Computing
Case Fan ARCTIC ACFAN00119A 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan $12.98 @ Newegg
Monitor BenQ GW2283 21.5" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor $99.99 @ Adorama
Keyboard Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard With Optical Mouse $19.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $812.87
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 21:37 EDT-0400

Graphics card: If you have one already which you can transfer over to the newer build that would be great. Otherwise the the above will suffice. The alternative being, looking for a "used" RX 570 GPU for around a $50-$70 (from ebay or something). The nippier GPU isn't a necessary function for your streaming/BC but you could achieve better stocked performance for a similar asking price if going the used route.

If you need more storage from the get-go (secondary 1/2tb hard drive)... this is if we drop down to a 6-core multi-threaded Ryzen chip (if available a 1600 AF or Ryzen 2600)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEED HELP finding parts for PC build for Graphic Design"

  • 12 days ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $139.99 @ Newegg
Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $109.99 @ B&H
Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.98 @ Newegg
Video Card Zotac GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB Twin Fan Video Card $159.99 @ B&H
Case Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $64.99 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $106.99 @ Other World Computing
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1001.90
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 21:15 EDT-0400

I threw in a 2TB secondary storage unit (keep if needed)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "DDR4-3200 CL16 vs 3600 CL18 for this build"

  • 13 days ago
  • 1 point

DDR4-3200 CL16 vs 3600 CL18 for this build

Ryzen 3rd Gen prefers higher bandwidths hence the 3600/18 is favourable. Not necessary but if you fancy squeezing more performance you can tighten up the timings to reduce latency (via manual overclocking). Alternatively, for $83 this 3600/16 kit: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jBZzK8/gskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc (keep in mind RAM heatsink height can be impeding with some aftermarket cooling solutions).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NZXT : Kraken King - Z73"

  • 13 days ago
  • 1 point

But to your knowledge a 360MM AIO with quality fans can beat even the biggest air coolers?.

Yes. As long as you stick with reputable stuff (like the 3 AIOs mentioned)

I'm just getting a lot of mixed messages, some saying the NH-D15 and NH-U12A can handle 5 GHz easily.

Both perform almost at an equal footing when accounting for thermal performance and noise levels. The D15/S performs marginally better (a couple of degrees and a couple of decibals lower with noise levels) while the U12A in some comparisons is seen to run a couple of decibals lower (acoustics). In real world noticeable comparisons, the difference in performance is too small to favour one over the other.

Personally I fancy the D15 BLACK CHROMAX for it's chunky metal and larger fans (purely an aesthetics choice). The U12A also earns massive merit for it's smaller footprint. Especially in case environments where RGB RAM requires visible exposure or smaller form factor build arrangements where a D15 is incompatible. Noctua should have released a black version to seal the deal for me as I've never been a big fan of it's trademark skin-tan colour appeal (regardless of performance superiority).

Meanwhile tests and videos show it hitting 90c and higher on some 9th gen chips.

Don't worry about the 90c thermal spike. These are artificial stress tests pushing the core/threads to it's limits which has little to zero consequence with real-world workload environments.

If you don't mind me asking:

  1. whats the build for? (gaming/streaming/editing/rendering/etc)

  2. have you confirmed your CPU choice? 9700K/9900K?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEED HELP finding parts for PC build for Graphic Design"

  • 13 days ago
  • 1 point

What type of budget are we looking at?

I am aware I need 32 GB of RAM

Are you working on 4K content?

....to build it around window 10....

Is the operating system included in the budget or have one already?

Also does the budget include peripherals? (display/mouse/keyboard/etc)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Time Build Help/Review"

  • 13 days ago
  • 2 points

The Meshify C (i own one) is indeed an excellent case but with your budget I would trim down to a 50 quid (or less) case and:

  • double up on memory (16GB faster RAM)

  • a 4-5% faster 2600X processor which also bundles in a better heat dissipating cooler (runs quieter too)

  • A "MAX" series motherboard for future upgrade potential to 3rd/4th GEN Ryzen (or simply better re-sale value)

  • Since you mentioned RGB, a GameMax RGB case with 3 included fans, tempered glass, PSU shroud, front open mesh (airflow savvy), fan controller included, etc. Excellent value! The buzz of it all, I've purchased a couple of these units to impress my nephews with case upgrades and oddly enough I was equally impressed with the included features, great airflow and something I wasn't aware of when purchasing - the tempered glass.

  • On top you save 3 quid!

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor £124.97 @ Laptops Direct
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £69.99 @ Ebuyer
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £75.59 @ CCL Computers
Storage Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive £60.73 @ Ebuyer
Video Card XFX Radeon RX 570 8 GB Video Card £119.99 @ CCL Computers
Case GameMax Kamikaze PRO MicroATX Mini Tower Case £54.98 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply £47.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor AOC G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor £89.99 @ AWD-IT
Keyboard Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard £13.72 @ BT Shop
Mouse GameMax Tornado Wired Optical Mouse £7.83 @ CCL Computers
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £665.78
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 19:32 GMT+0000

If you fancy extending the RGB endeavour, you could swap the RAM kit for this one: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QDhKHx/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmw16gx4m2c3200c16 which brings the build total to: £676


The Alternative being, drop the RGB approach and opt for an entry level 30-40 quid case (which gets the job done) and revert back to a Ryzen 2600 (or a marginally trailing 1600 AF 12nm) and grab yourself a better graphics card. This will secure a 1650 super which gains 15%+ performance (almost 20% via overclocking). This makes better sense if you plan on targeting more demanding games in the long run.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor £109.97 @ Senetic
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard £69.99 @ Ebuyer
Memory Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory £75.59 @ CCL Computers
Storage Western Digital Blue 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive £60.73 @ Ebuyer
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER 4 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card £172.38 @ Aria PC
Case Cougar MG130-G MicroATX Mini Tower Case £38.98 @ CCL Computers
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply £47.99 @ AWD-IT
Monitor AOC G2260VWQ6 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor £89.99 @ AWD-IT
Keyboard Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard £13.72 @ BT Shop
Mouse GameMax Tornado Wired Optical Mouse £7.83 @ CCL Computers
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £687.17
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 19:39 GMT+0000

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Potential First Build (Help Appreciated!)"

  • 13 days ago
  • 1 point

How about this:

  • Faster single threaded Ryzen 3600

  • 1TB FAST SDD

  • Faster/higher bandwidth ram

  • Dedicated PCIe WIFI card

The main compromise:

  • Only 1TB storage, which for most is plenty (you can always upgrade with additional storage later - or is this something you require at the get-go?)

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $174.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $79.99 @ B&H
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $75.99 @ Newegg
Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $109.99 @ B&H
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card $319.99 @ Newegg
Case Antec VSK10 Window MicroATX Mid Tower Case $52.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $69.29 @ Newegg
Wireless Network Adapter Asus PCE-AC51 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $29.31 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $912.53
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 15:02 EDT-0400

Other recommendations:

Comment reply on Forum Topic "[UK] Gaming / Chromecasting / Torrenting"

  • 13 days ago
  • 2 points

SECOND OPTION

I wanted a rig around £1000

Less the AIO - try out the wraith prism stock cooler which is bundled in with the 3700X. Upgrading coolers is super easy and doesn't require build disassembly other than removing the GPU and 4 screws on the cooler mount and throwing in some paste (although it's usually pre-applied on most AIOs).

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor £269.97 @ CCL Computers
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard £103.99 @ AWD-IT
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £90.99 @ AWD-IT
Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £101.48 @ CCL Computers
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card £228.47 @ Ebuyer
Case Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case £113.99 @ Box Limited
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply £75.46 @ Scan.co.uk
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £984.35
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 16:54 GMT+0000

Comment reply on Forum Topic "[UK] Gaming / Chromecasting / Torrenting"

  • 13 days ago
  • 2 points

A few amendments without spilling over £1085

  • A Ryzen 3000 ready motherboard (ignore the compatility warning - these "MAX" boards are revised B450's to suit 3rd Gen Ryzen without the update process)

  • Doubled up with 1TB NVME storage. You don't need the pricey 970 evo unless you're running specific workstation class workloads capable of utilising the units higher R/W function. For gaming and general productivity, the Crucial P1 is just as fast.

  • With the money saved from the mobo, for 30 quid more grab a 1660 "super" GPU which boasts around 15-20% (corrected) 10-15% better performance (depending on game title or higher refresh rate performance targets).

  • Without going into too much detail - a better quality power supply unit. Seasonic is a fantastic brand but these M1 units are old and lack some of the finer components and features introduced on newer and more expensive models. The TXM corsair is currently the best option available in the under 80 quid price bracket

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor £269.97 @ CCL Computers
CPU Cooler Corsair H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler £100.99 @ AWD-IT
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard £103.99 @ AWD-IT
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £90.99 @ AWD-IT
Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £101.48 @ CCL Computers
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB OC Video Card £228.47 @ Ebuyer
Case Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case £113.99 @ Box Limited
Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply £75.46 @ Scan.co.uk
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total £1085.34
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-27 16:43 GMT+0000

Another thing I wanted to mention was - You don't need an AIO cooler unless you simply fancy one for the aesthetics. The wraith prism stock cooler is half decent and the 3700X scales nicely on it's boost profile. A 40-50 quid aftermarket air cooler solution would run quieter and would be closer to home for the rated boost clock ceiling at stock. You could save money here and opt for a RTX 2060 should ray tracing / future-proofing be of interest. If your display is locked at 60hz.... stick with the 1660 super.

Do you think it's worth waiting until Coronavirus situation resolves and then prices may go down at all?

I think the prices are reasonable (not inflated at all) - a couple of quid more here and there! If you need a build to-go, go for it!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NZXT : Kraken King - Z73"

  • 13 days ago
  • 2 points

360's are definitely likely and proven in many cases to beat the D15 but again, the problem being, it's a marginal improvement (a few degrees celcius) for a fattened up asking price.

If your primary concern is hitting 5Ghz... the D15 simply gets the job done with ease. If your CPU can scale higher ~5.1Ghz (9900K) that marginal performance gain with a a 360 RAD takes merit. From an aesthetics point of view, if you prefer the RGB/LCD pump feature and want to keep your RGB RAM sticks visible (through the glass side panel) grab an AIO. Both the X72 and H150i Pro deliver roughly the same performance (the Corsair unit is a little inferior but makes up the difference with better quality static pressure fans). Personally I'd grab the X72 for that added aesthetic flare! The Z73 is almost $100 more - similar performance and adds the LCD function. Whether it's worth it is down to user preference (personally, I wouldn't touch it - too pricey for my pockets)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking for a build with an RTX 2080 super"

  • 14 days ago
  • 1 point

What would you say the output of the 2070 super is vs the 2080?

For 1080p higher refresh rate gaming, the RTX 2070 SUPER is already more than capable of achieving 144fps (or a mean average of 125-130fps). The RTX 2080 SUPER manages a 10% mark up - lets say an average of 15fps more in demanding games on top settings. IMO, a fat-baked $200 premium more for a 2080 super for a measly 15fps increase is pointless especially considering once you achieve 100-120fps anything above this point is hardly noticeable in real-world gaming performance.

I would much rather save $200 for an earlier GPU upgrade to far more significant performance gains (2 years+).

Where the 2080 super makes better sense is if you're targeting higher resolution gaming with the likes of a 1440p or 4K. Or if you were targeting a super higher refresh rate display capable of achieving 240fps. For these requirements, the 2080 super makes sense.

Another issue being - these cards are already rather expensive with Nvidia using "relative spiked pricing" as the competition sits idly. At the same time, Nvidia is rumoured (very likely) to launch next Generation GPU's sometime in 2020 which may boast far more significant performance gains for the money. Hence I wouldn't spend an arm and a leg with current marginal performance increases as 12 months from now you can probably sell the 2070 super, throw in another $200 and grab something far more superior. Saying that, the upgrade won't be necessary either as the RTX 2070 SUPER for 1080p 144hz gaming is STELLA!!

Why did you choose the 3600X over the regular 3600?

The 3600X is:

  • only $15 more

  • see's 3-4% better performance

  • includes a better stock cooler

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking for a build with an RTX 2080 super"

  • 14 days ago
  • 1 point

What display resolution and refresh rate are you targeting (eg. 1080p 144hz or 1440p 144hz, etc)? A 2080 SUPER suggests 1440p 144hz or a 1080p with a panel capable of posting beyond 144hz. If you're sticking with 1080p 144hz, preferably a RTX 2070 SUPER and spend the savings elsewhere

Operating system included in budget?

A quick placeholder with RTX 2070 SUPER @ 1080p 144hz gaming (excellent combination):

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $83.99 @ Newegg
Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $109.99 @ B&H
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card $489.99 @ Newegg
Case Metallic Gear Neo Silent ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Phanteks AMP 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $105.98 @ Newegg
Monitor MSI Optix MAG24C 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $194.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1349.91
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-26 14:20 EDT-0400

Only consider 2080 super if you're pushing up on higher resolution displays or fancy securing a 240hz gaming panel (although with a $1400 cap it does compromise performance/build opportunities elsewhere).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking for a build with an RTX 2080 super"

  • 14 days ago
  • 1 point

RTX 2080 SUPER = $700-$750. Although I agree, thats a huge chunk of money to throw at a graphics card for a $1400 budget which includes a gaming display.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "part list opinion wanted + solve my problem :D"

  • 14 days ago
  • 1 point

Anyone who has tried or know if its compatible?

Haven't personally tried, but here's 2 completed builds on PCPP which confirm compatibility with the same case + cooler:

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Build help"

  • 14 days ago
  • 1 point

For $1500 test19's got you covered nicely!!

round $1500 but I have flexibility

If you have the flex,

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Corsair A70"

  • 14 days ago
  • 1 point

Thats more like it :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Corsair A70"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

8700K is still better than 9700K due to hyper-threading.

8700K: 6 core 12 threads. The 12 threads (multi-threaded) loosely imitate (virtually) 2 cores hence you end up with almost 8-cores of CPU resource.

9700K: 8 cores 8 threads: 8 physical cores matches the performance of a 8700K and scales better with actual workloads (surpassing the 8700K) + enjoys faster single threaded performance + soldered TIM/IHS for improved thermal dissipation

The 8700K is great too if achievable for considerably less (or marginally)

As for the 5GHz overclock, I would be using 9 120mm fans. Would it be possible then?

Possibly yes. Ideally, "heat dissipation" depends on the cooler and it's ability to draw thermal capacity from the CPU. Cooler fans/case fans is secondary which determine how quickly the heat is released from within the case/fin stack confines. 5Ghz is possible with a 4-heatpiped medium stack dual fan cooler but for consistency (thermal throttling) i'd look for something a little beefier.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Anything I should fix before moving forwards?"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

Personally, i'd only consider the used market for 25%+ reduction in cost which is very unlikely with RTX cards.

I see you have added "1080p 60hz" in your initial post. This changes the need to opt for a RTX unit. The initially selected 1660 super is more than sufficient for this performance target.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Anything I should fix before moving forwards?"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

Are you targeting a 1080p 60hz panel? Or a higher refresh rate display (eg. 144hz)?

I agree with Blaked337, depending on your performance targets, you can easily achieve a RTX card without the budget spill. The first place i'd start is replacing that expensive motherboard for a $100-$120 MSI B450 MAX model (fully compatible out of the box and delivers all the necessary features for a gaming build).

The evo cooler is old - you can do better. I'm assuming this build is RGB savvy hence preferably: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cr8j4D/deepcool-gammaxx-gte-565-cfm-cpu-cooler-gammaxx-gte or a Hyper 212 black refresh: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HyTPxr/cooler-master-hyper-212-black-edition-420-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pk-r1

I'm not familiar with the case selection. You might want to check reviews for case airflow/other.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Corsair A70"

  • 15 days ago
  • 2 points

For $30 sounds like a deal!!! It does run a little loud though.

For a 5Ghz OC, i'd look for something beefier (more heatpipes, thicker fin stack and preferably quieter fan/s). It will cost more though ($50+)

Unless you're getting the 8700K at a bargain, replace this option with a 9700K (8 physical cores)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Build help"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

What's the budget?

Ideally RTX 2070 SUPER + Ryzen 3600X/3700X for a comfortable push on 1440p. If you're looking to scale higher with FPS (~144fps), there is the 2080 SUPER (gets pricey) or the TI variant (takes the pee with pricey). If constrained by budget, there are more affordable solutions with the likes of Ryzen 2600X + RTX 2060 SUPER which manages 60fps+ @ 1440p. Lesser demanding games or in-game downtuning of quality configurations with this type of configuration fares much better with FPS scaling.

For video rendering performance, preferably a 8-core 2700X/3700X (depending on cost) or if the budget has flex, there is the 12 core 3900X.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need opinions on this upgrade (new timer trying to build again)"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

Also if you are looking to hit past 60fps (and consistently for the long run).... it would be a good idea to grab a dual Memory kit as you suggested earlier. Sell the single stick.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need opinions on this upgrade (new timer trying to build again)"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

Both DVI and DP push past 60fps so no problems there. In fact, DP does a better job and scales higher with resolutions/fps and feeds audio.

Make sure your display supports DP as a higher refresh rate converter (a proper one) gets a little pricey.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First build"

  • 15 days ago
  • 1 point

....not sure what motherboard to get....

Not sure if you're familiar:

Eg. mobo + wifi card (swapped PSU for a semi-modular @ 550W)

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.99 @ B&H
Motherboard MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 @ B&H
Storage Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $64.99 @ Newegg
Video Card XFX Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card Purchased For $0.00
Case Phanteks Eclipse P360X ATX Mid Tower Case $79.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $79.89 @ Newegg
Wireless Network Adapter Asus PCE-AC51 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $29.31 @ B&H
Case Fan upHere T7SYC7-6 120 mm Fans Purchased For $37.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $591.16
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-24 21:32 EDT-0400

What about MEMORY?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "new gaming build"

  • 16 days ago
  • 1 point

Yep, clockspeeds are only relevant when comparing performance on the same architecture.

It's so much easier to view real-world game comparisons with any 2 selected cards. There's a bunch of fancy-nancy reviews available from renowned sources to get a more in-depth idea as to how well these cards perform in gaming environments. One of them being: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-super-strix-oc/27.html This one doesn't list your preferred resolution but you can get a pretty good idea by picking off an average between the 1440p and 2160p charts.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "new gaming build"

  • 16 days ago
  • 1 point

I agree with Mike. Less on the display and more on the GPU. Higher resolution gaming is more GPU bound and you'll want to secure the best graphics card possible within your means. The 2080 super sees anywhere between 20-30% (avg) performance gains over the 5700 XT which is valuable for a 100hz refresh rate panel (higher FPS possibilities and future-proofing).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NEED HELP POWERING MY FIRST BUILD"

  • 16 days ago
  • 1 point

Make sure the front panel case connectors are placed on the correct pins, even an experienced builder like myself ends up making errors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPELIdVNZUI&feature=youtu.be

You mentioned the board is seeing some power indication - i was going to initially suggest another common oversight: "switching on the power supply"

Another common fix is double checking both your CPU 8-pin and ATX 24-pin connectors. Make sure these are snugly planted in. You might want to check things on the PSU end of things too.. These connectors tend to snap into place hence a little pressure may help.

If the case button is at fault - you can try shorting the pins to kick start the system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgx3dE5yndQ. First make sure the 2 pins you are shorting are your power switch pins ( - & + ). Refer to the motherboard manual to locate both pins (should be under "front panel headers" or "JFP1 connectors" or something similar)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "The best possible apocalypse vehicle type."

  • 16 days ago
  • 1 point

This will do it: https://youtu.be/nj-Iwv5NJKg?t=146

In the words of Buzz Lightyear: "Infinity and Beyond"

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will this stream?"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

You're absolutely right. Looks like the 2700X has spiked... I should have checked current prices.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What has COVID-19 allowed you do"

  • 18 days ago
  • 0 points

"Cruel", "cold", "selfish" and "refused to listen"... sounds like capitalism at it's best and under these circumstances i agree! Although, the circumstances at the time of the move did not present any serious threat, nor were any instructions issued to remain and the spread was ultimately at it's infancy (isolated cases). No, the City was not on lock-down either. As mentioned previously, "planned exit strategy when Italy and Iran were hit", is more of a logically sensible initiative opposed to a panic driven contaminant approach. If you ask me it was a DAMN fine deliberation to take action as I place zero faith in the system to employ any necessary precaution to nip the spread in the bud (and what do you know, it took England 3-4 weeks to finally take action).

Fortunately for me, I didn't have to wait around for "top dog briefings" to paint a picture of unravelling events - the picture was already drawn and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to unfold.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will this stream?"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

Yes but you could do better.

For game and streaming, preferably an 8-core Ryzen 2700X unless you're intending on streaming via the GPU hardware encoder.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First time building"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

I would look to secure a Ryzen 3700X which enables SMT (multi-threading). Essentially, 30%+ additional compute performance for multi-threaded workflows + only marginally/negligibly behind with single threaded clockspeeds. If you're targeting CPU-based streaming, the 3700X is highly recommended!

Only consider the intel path:

  1. If overclocking is part and parcel with the build requirement (for which you'll want a better grade CPU cooler)

  2. If you're happy with GPU hardware encoding which frees up CPU resources

I'm just curious - what are you running for your display - resolution and refresh rate? (eg. 1080p 144hz)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What has COVID-19 allowed you do"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

Disinfected our office and home in London, sealed up and moved out of the city (parents semi-country side home). I just wanted to get away from the madness of it all and the poor response from our government at it's initial stages (I don't want to get into the details - but this was expected!). Worst of, the panic shopping sprees is too distasteful for me to sit idly amidst it all.

Although under unfortunate circumstances, I guess it's nice to be with the family once again without the usual 2-day stops every couple of weeks. This one might last several months! TBH i've been planning the exit strategy for some time now, especially after Italy and Iran were hit at an unprecedented scale (no comment).

As for practical endeavours, nothing yet! Just a bunch of errands, a little remaining office work, tons of family time with the siblings who also recently arrived and catching up on the news. We don't have to worry about supplies either, both of my brothers are militant-ready for any/all outcomes and there's a ton of home-grown produce for the long run. Although I have a laugh at their expense, at the back of my head there is that thought "ok, we should be fine". More importantly, my wife is keeping tabs with some elderly neighbours back in the City - so far, they're getting their regular supplies from another helping hand (bless him) but should any problems emerge we would be more than happy to not only support them during the crisis (supply postal deliveries) but also left them an offer to join us down south as we have spare accommodation ready-to-go!

I can't help but inform, i did grab my gaming rig from the city... haven't been much on it for several months now and I can see some dedicated game-time in the coming hours (if wifey doesn't kill me first). Other than that - no immediate plans set in motion but there's always plenty to do for the willing. Oh toss it, "I CAN'T WAIT TO ARM-UP and BLOW a billion holes in BATTLEFIELD!!!!".

Comment reply on Forum Topic "UK guy looking for advice on build please"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

It's nuts!! Here in the UK the PM announced "lockdown" on Friday. We knew it was coming and i've spent the better half of the last week filling in the gaps with absent staff. Office closed and now moved out of london back to my parents home (semi-country side). Feels much safer away from the urban ranks of London and I'm finally getting regular hot meals thanks to mum :P

The virus is what it is, but people and shop-manic-panic is a whole other and equally distressing turn of events. I didn't expect this sort of thing and I'm glad i've moved away from it all.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need opinions on this upgrade (new timer trying to build again)"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

Any of the mentioned cards (models) are fully compatible with your build. Or, are you referring to case internal clearance concerns?

Grab a "1660 super" - it's similarly priced and delivers 10-15% better performance over the the 1660.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "UK guy looking for advice on build please"

  • 18 days ago
  • 1 point

Hi,

Apologies for the late reply. I've been a little tied down with the current virus concerns.

Where are you with your build requirements at the moment? If there was anything pending from your last query let me know. I'm fully available now hence feel free to query your thoughts.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NZXT : Kraken King - Z73"

  • 18 days ago
  • 2 points

Sorry for the late reply... let's just call it crazy times!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJejyyVPNe4

Credible reviewer!!

I had a deeper look into the specs. The Z73 has been trimmed at it's depth by 3mm and already falls short at it's width being it's a 120mm fan/rad configuration (X62 = 140mm). I guess the newer GEN pump doesn't lend any favours either in terms of performance hence both the Z73 and X62 measure up at an equal footing. The higher premium for the Z73 seems lesser size/additional fan/performance induced and more trending on the LCD function. Boils down to user preference!!

Also would a push/pull with good Noctua fans knock off even more degrees like you mentioned in your X62?

Not a whole lot and for most the performance gains doesn't justify the cost. If you're intending on overclocking and pushing the chip to it's absolute limit, you can expect some favourable returns with a push/pull config... although there's no fixed "outcome" and depending on the build arrangement or case type, the p/p config can vary drastically.

And what's your opinion on air coolers like the NH-U12A and NH-D15 being just as good if not better than a 280MM AIO?

At stock i'd grab the D15 for performance and reliability (no pump noise or fail to worry about nor long-term leakage). For aesthetics, depending on user preference, I admit the I prefer the X62 as it compliments my current RGB arrangement. Performance-wise, not sure how well the X62 performs at stock (vs D15) but i'm assuming it's the same. With 2 premium quality fans (or in my case x4 P/P) the X62 sees some favourable improvements but not enough to warrant the total cost for the unit + 4 fans.

A 360MM AIO with top of the line fans HAS to beat even the biggest and best air coolers right?

Yes!

But only consider this path if you're planning on overclocking as 3 premium fans + an expensive LCD screener Z73 gets VERY pricey. The performance gains for many are not significant enough to warrant a hefty spend unless the aesthetic-value adds value.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "UK guy looking for advice on build please"

  • 26 days ago
  • 1 point

Questions, would the stock cooler on that CPU be fine?

Yes perfectly fine! It gets the ball rolling and respectably hits up on the boost clocks, not too far off the rated spec. Beefier coolers are always going to serve better, especially in the noise department. If noise levels are not to your liking or you fancy a little added uplift with the chips peak performance, this shouldn't be a problem as you can very quickly replace the stock cooler without disassembling the build.

The motherboard I chose for aesthetic reasons, is it any good?

Great board! The caveat being it will require a BIOS update which can be achieved using MSI's flash BIOS button feature. The 3700X will only work once the update is complete. Newer MSI boards marked with "MAX" are Ryzen 3000 ready hence no updates required. Unfortunately the MAX models don't offer a white mobo variant.

For a gaming build, if your heart is absolutely set on the white contrast, go for it. The flash BIOS button feature is easy to operate. More info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE

Is the gfx card overkill, if so what should I drop it too?

Again this depends on your display resolution and refresh rate. What do you have currently? (eg. 1080p 60hz or 1080p 144hz, etc)

My justification at the moment is although this higher spec card may cost a fair amount more it may future proof the system more?

If you're locked on a 1080p@60hz panel, the 2070 super is way overkill for a future-proof investment. You'll be better off purchasing a 1660 super for half the price and then a couple/few years later upgrading to a newer generation graphics card with superior performance, more features, better optimisation, faster memory, hopefully improved efficiency, etc. If you've got a higher refresh rate panel @ 144hz, the RTX 2070 SUPER would be nice.

I'm not sure if you're familiar but i'll add some additional notes: A 60hz panel will produce a max of 60fps. A handful of lesser empowered graphics cards can easily achieve this sort of performance even in the most demanding games on top settings. For a long-term future proof investment the most i'd spend is for a RTX 2060, or a more practical move: the GTX 1660 Super. Now, a 144hz panel will produce a max of 144fps. That's 84 more frames over the 60hz model. A more powerful GPU with the likes of a RTX 2070 SUPER now makes sense as demanding games on top settings can hit anywhere between 120-144fps.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "185fps+ PC"

  • 26 days ago
  • 1 point

Either option works and both CPUs will deliver the 185fps achievement in the 2 games mentioned.

More demanding games will struggle to hit similar achievements, or fall short of the perpetual up-keep. A little favour can be sought with the 3600X as it achieves anywhere between 2-4% faster single threaded clockspeeds + throws in a marginally better CPU cooler (bundled in). It's not necessary but if you are looking to make use of 185-240fps, the faster the cores the better.

Just a suggestion:

If you fancy keeping the 3600X and want to secure a tomahawk MAX board, you can:

  1. Grab a standard SATA SSD (non-NVME) which won't impact gaming performance

  2. Grab a more affordable case

eg:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor $199.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.89 @ B&H
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $74.99 @ Newegg
Storage ADATA SU635 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $56.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card $489.99 @ Newegg
Case Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case $45.99 @ B&H
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $69.33 @ Amazon
Monitor Acer XF250Q Cbmiiprx 24.5" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor $249.99 @ B&H
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1302.16
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-13 21:59 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Have Ultra Widescreen 2560x1080 build, curious about upgrading to 3440x1440"

  • 27 days ago
  • 2 points

Supporting a higher resolution panel is predominately GPU-territory. The rest of the spec will do just fine.

The RTX 2060 SUPER is no couch potato either and should accomplish 60fps in some demanding games @ top settings. Some light down-scaling of quality configurations to a mix of highs and maxes (or sidelining some of the unnecessary or unnoticeable higher configs) makes the 2060 super a real contender for this resolution.

If you're targeting higher refresh rate gaming on top settings (AAA titles/etc) the 2060 super will struggle. If the display is a necessary upgrade, I'd stick with the 2060 super for the time being. Nvidia is expected to launch next generation 3000-series cards sometime in 2020 (fingers crossed) or 2021 (although speculatively speaking)... which would be an excellent opportunity to raise the bar with higher performance yields.

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