If I still had the PC, I would absolutely buy one of the new mesh panels seen at computex! :) But this build was for someone else and I haven't seen them since! I haven't gotten any calls about it though so I assume it's still going well!
Good luck with your own Shift build! It remains to this day one of the coolest cases I've ever worked with.
Inwin is a reputable company that I think wouldn't put in a sub-par power supply into their case. Also, this is not just any power supply, it's a unique form factor. Getting one that fits the color scheme and that's 150W might be difficult.
Always better to build too much than too little.
For my use case, two P4000's would be connected and used to combine 8 4k displays to form one large one. Actually wouldn't be opting for a Quadro but think I have to due to their Mosaic ability which blends the monitors together and prevents desync.
Very nice! This looks somewhat similar to a build I'm currently planning for a friend as well. I'm concerned for the GPU though as I'm not sure it has the horsepower I need. It's a shame as the jump to the next tier is literally twice the price of the P4000.
Awesome looking build and I hope your friend likes it!
Curious how the P4000's perform and what workload you are putting them under. I was thinking about running two myself to make an 8 monitor single display.
Hello, thanks for the compliments! It is the stock Intel cooler. I didn't measure it myself but according to a quick google search it measures 2.5" tall. And just from memory I think it had about a 1/2" to 3/4" of space from the PSU that sits directly above it. If it were me, I wouldn't pursue anything that was taller than the stock cooler or go liquid cooling with an inexpensive front aio 120mm rad. That seems to be what this case was intended for, but for me, the stock cooler worked fine. :)
Good luck with your build! :)
Absolutely brilliant example of how to prioritize a budget. Well done!
I think it would be brilliant for Diablo 3. In fact, this more than exceeds the minimum system requirements. Never played Diablo 3 myself before, but a quick google search of what Diablo 3 requires to run seems to indicate that a PC like this would be a great portable machine that would run your game beautifully.
Good luck on the build! Hopefully you can find some parts for cheap. Make sure you match the correct chipsets and do your best to visually inspect the components you buy as best you can for damage before purchasing. I've had some hiccups with parts I've bought used before but have yet to get completely burned.
I find that eBay can tend to be a bit overpriced for parts. Facebook marketplace and Offer Up usually have a decent amount of parts for sale. It might be hard to build a full system with used parts. I usually have to buy at least one or two things new. But buying the majority of hardware from a person who took good care of their rig is a great way to save money. Remember to ask if they can take a few bucks off too if you can't afford the asking price. Many people will come down if you're polite and don't request something unreasonably low. :)
Thank you, it was challenging to work in an enclosure this small, but it can be made to work! Also helps to have lower power parts to keep the heat down like that Pentium. All in all, really happy with how it turned out.
No problem! Happy to help.
As for the exhaust fan orientation, I think that might starve the inside of the case for fresh air flow. It would be exhausting some warm air, but it would be difficult to pull in cool air. However when the fan is pulling air in, there is higher air pressure inside the case, and the air will want to escape out the side and rear vents on its own, taking the warm air with it.
I could be wrong! I haven't tried flipping the fan around. But in my experience it seems best to try to force as much air into the case as possible.
Hello! Thanks for the compliments. :)
So I haven't actually put it on the scale but I would estimate around ten pounds. That might be plus or minus a couple. As for the sturdiness of the case, it is quite sturdy and has a bracket for the power supply to rest on so that it does not fall down onto the CPU which is nice. I noticed however, that the integrity of the case requires quite a bit on the HDD and SSD bracket which spans the width of the case and screws into either side. Even if you don't plan to use a 2.5 or 3.5" drive, I would recommend keeping the bracket there so that the case doesn't flex.
It'd be the perfect size and shape to travel with, and with the GPU mounted like it is, gravity isn't fighting to tear it off the PCIe connector like a normal case.
Video card temps are very low, even with an open air GPU. But I would assume that is because of the case vents that cover that side of the panel. They don't have dust covers and airflow is pretty unrestricted for that side of the case.
However the CPU temperature surprised me. I was expecting a low power Pentium to place lower than 65 degrees even with a stock cooler. I believe the CPU temperatures are a result of the open air GPU taking cool air from the outside and blowing it into the case with no exhaust fan. This case has no exhaust besides the power supply if you choose to orient it that way. I chose not to orient mine that way because I didn't want the PSU and CPU to be fighting over airflow since they are right on top of each other, instead electing to place a strong fan in the front of the case and rely on positive air pressure to exhaust hot air out the back and sides, which it does somewhat effectively, however still resulting in a somewhat warm CPU.
I can imagine one might be able to mode the case to put a 90mm fan in the other side of the case next to the CPU to exhaust hot air, especially for higher powered processors.
Thank you! It was a fun challenge to build in. Also might seriously consider adding a handle to the top if I didn't have to let it go. Not sure the next person would want that.
Not really, I was looking for a card short enough to fit the case, not make sure it aligned with the holes as I hadn't foreseen that far yet. However, when I got the card I test fit it in the case to make sure it would fit (without the motherboard) and noticed it would be a really close call to fit the larger fan in there too, but it looked like it might make it.
However upon actually commencing the building, the motherboard for whatever reason, forced the card to sit higher in the case than I expected when test fitting the card earlier making installing the 140mm fan impossible. :/
I wouldn't say I specifically sought out a specific card, for my purposes it was really whatever card was cheap and small enough to fit this case.
I'm a huge fan of air cooling myself. Seems simple, less maintenance, and if the fan ever fails, you've still got a big heat sink to take some of the load. Besides, I kinda like the way the tower coolers look. Always looked better in my opinion than soft tubing snaking their way through the case interior. Great build though! Impressive with what was done with that amount of space.
Thank you very much! Means a lot! :)
I'm fortunate enough to live in an area where used PC parts pop up relatively frequently. It's a great way to build an inexpensive gaming rig for much less than one might think.
Thank you very much! I appreciate it!
This is one of my frustrations with this case. A 140mm fan fits directly center in this case. I bought a 140mm fan so it would be symmetrical. However, with a full size GPU reaching up to the front of the case, my 140mm fan simply would not fit. It was SO close. But I was shoving the GPU too far to the side and putting too much pressure on the PCIe connector to be comfortable leaving it like that. The engineers who designed this could have made the case 5mm wider and solved this issue so that one could fit a 140mm fan and a full size GPU, but of course, that didn't happen. So instead I had to mount the 120mm fan which holes are offset for some reason.
Long story short, it upsets me too. Lol.
I agree whole heartedly. I 100% think a fully modular power supply would have been a great asset. Even more so, a modular power supply with custom extensions that would be shorter than the actual cords would be even better as to cut down on length. In that same respect, an M.2 drive would have been beneficial as well to remove the need for SATA and power cables. I would have done both of these things, but had a couple reason not to.
For the power supply, I had gotten this one as a bundle with the CPU and case from the same person for $60. So since I had it, I wanted to use it since I got it so inexpensively.
As for the M.2, price was the key factor in considering the SSD. M.2's have gotten much cheaper, but still aren't the point of normal SATA SSD's. Since this case has no windows and isn't much for show as it is for space efficiency, I figured someone might appreciate the extra $20 off and live with the clutter they can't see inside the case.
As for the clutter itself, yes, this case was rough to work in. Really no space at all to fit all those extra cables. As bad as it looks from that one picture, it got a little better as the build went on. But there's no substitute for room. Still, the cables tend to sit above the intake fan apart from the CPU cable and I/O and USB cable. Which I tried to group together as much as possible.
The case has it's own issues such as coming with front I/O and USB 3.0 connectors which are far too long than what's necessary in that tiny case. And I probably would have been more careful about cable management if you could see it from the outside..,
Nope, didn't have to modify anything. It was a bit of a pain to wedge it in there, especially with the motherboard already inside. But there was a way to do it. Just barely fit with only a few millimeters to spare lengthwise.
I hadn't taken any screenshots with more benchmarks. But I did do a video about it! I'm not totally sure on the rules of plugging in a video of this system here but I'll link it in this comment. There's benchmarks of PUBG, Wildlands, and DOOM as well as Unigine Heaven.
Thanks! They're becoming some of my favorite form factors to work with due to the challenge and planning it takes to get everything to fit. It's also a challenge scooping up used itx parts for a good price. The motherboards for these I usually have to buy new.
I think so too!
Only after I've benchmarked it and use it for content on my channel of course! :) Although I should say that I don't make much profit. I'm usually happy to get nearly what I assembled it for. The reward is building it.
Well if it's for nostalgia, then by all means! Nothing beats an old optical drive for that purpose.
Then again, you might have some floppy fans shaming the optical drive people for abandoning their favorite tech. :P
Holy cow, those words hit right in the feels. My four month old has made my studio his nursery and therefore booted me out of my gaming room. At least until he's able to move in with his older brother in his room.
The sacrifices we parents make for our children...
Beautiful build for sure! Just got the same case myself and am looking around to see what others have done.
Is it just me or does the rear i/o of this motherboard seem a bit minimalist? I mean granted, no one uses those old ps2 ports anymore. But it just seems empty to me. I guess on a build this small, it makes sense to cut the clutter when unnecessary.
Thanks for the compliments about the machine!
I don't really feel here or there about optical drives. They're still useful, I recently had a program for school where I absolutely had to have one for my laptop so off to Amazon I went to buy a cheap 9 dollar external one. But that's just the thing. I don't worry too much about the lack of optical drives in my machines because on the one day every six months when I happen to need one, I use my external one. It saves space, clutter, and cable management to delete that bulky box from the interior of one's system and opens up many more case options as most of the current cases don't come with a 5.25" bay anymore.
So I suppose I do feel here or there. I still have an optical drive in my main machine though. Tell me however, why is an optical drive better for data? It's a bulky box with tons of moving parts that could fail, writing/reading stuff to and from a CD - which itself is much more fragile and can store substantially less data than a USB - which has no moving parts, is extremely shock proof, and can store hundreds of gigabytes?
Sounds like the USB is the clear winner to me, not to mention it's faster as well. :(
Thanks! Telling the story behind the machine is half the fun!
I wasn't so concerned about the CPU as I am the GPU. These Ryzen processors are somewhat power efficient and cool running. I didn't overclock, I was going to at least try to match the newer speeds of the 2200G, but with the temps in the case as they were, I didn't want to push things any further.
Now the AMD GPU, that gets warm! Although I've heard testimony and reports of these old Tahiti GPU's getting quite toasty and running forever. So I'm not too worried. Besides, I got it for a great price, even if it lasts the owner another year or two, it's money's worth is there. Another perk of buying used parts.
When shopping on Craigslist, the term "beggars can't be choosers" couldn't more accurate. But if I had an endless choice of used parts, I would have gone with a blower style card that pushed air out of the case. But options are limited and, for the price, this is about as good of a PC as you can build.
I was questioning that as well. However I feel it's capable as it's a rated power supply and I've lowered the power limit on the GPU to help with temperatures.
Looks great! Man that gpu fits like a glove. Bet some research went into measurements and fitting that!
Thanks! Harder than one thinks to both be frugal and theme match then entire build. :)
Thanks! Appreciate the compliment. I think it came together really well. :)
Thanks! As much as I like looking at all the nice multi-thousand dollar builds, I enjoy seeing just how inexpensive I can build a well performing PC.
I considered that Pentium. But if I were to ever resell this machine, an i3 6100 looks and sounds better. The i5's were too much for my budget I was building for but would have been nice!
Really nice. Everything's clean, orderly. Looks great. Way to go on modding those cables as well! It paid off for sure.
Solid build! Love this case.
Thanks! I loved it too. It did have fantastic airflow but like all cases with great airflow it was pretty loud. I'll take a bit louder noise over scorching temps though any day.
Wow! The 3D printed cowl is insanely impressive. Great work! Wish I was more knowledgeable on 3D printing myself. Seems to have tons of applications and abilities.
I really liked the look! One can get these fans for super cheap on Amazon. They do their job and are cheap enough to replace if they die in a couple years.
Sold it not long ago. Hope the new owner likes it! :)
Way to go! I love builds like these. In my opinion, you put all your efforts into the right things. Waiting for sales, not going with a $50 or more case, no extra CPU cooler. Prioritized and you came away with a build that will game in 1080p beautifully. Thumbs up.
Afraid I didn't complete many benchmarks before I gave it to my friend who wanted it built. Truth is, it's probably terrible for games, haha. The dual-core Celeron is about the cheapest, lowest clocked desktop processor one can buy and the integrated graphics aren't up to par. It might not handle games too terrible paired with a lower tiered graphics card like a GTX 1050 or RX 560 that would not bottleneck it too badly. I could imagine one might be able to get fairly smooth gameplay out of a game like Fortnite with one of those cards. Unfortunately those are a bit outrageously priced right now due to the GPU shortage and would defeat the purpose of such a budget build.
If you'd like my recommendation, I'd look for an older generation graphics card in the local classifieds or online that would be cheap, yet powerful enough to play some esports games and lower settings on AAA titles. A GTX 750ti or a R9 270 might be a good place to start looking. Something you could find for around $50 that would compliment the Celeron nicely.
Thanks! Wow, surprised that little 1050 gets that warm! Good thing it has got some active cooling and not just a passive heatsink like some of them have or it would be even hotter! That Noctua does a good job of keeping that CPU cool in that cramped space too.
Love the set up and all those fans. Would love to see some temperatures of the CPU and GPU at load!
Haha, whoops! All well... I believe though that the M9i will fit the Ryzen chips with the adapter kit from Cryorig. If I'm not mistaken, Cryorig will send you one for free if you contact their support and ask for it.
Might be worth a shot! The wraith cooler is a good one, but the M9i would still be better and might allow a bit more of an overclock or be more quiet at stock speeds. And while you're waiting for your kit, you still have the stock cooler to keep you going! Nothing to lose there. Have a great day!
I see a Cryorig box! Love those coolers. Not on this build though? Great PC! Love the colors, and awesome cable management job.
Thanks! I love scouring all the computer parts sites looking for the best deals for people. It makes me smile when they ask, "That's it?"
Thank you for the tip about workstation card benchmarks, I'll have to check out that site for sure! Even though I hadn't built any workstation builds yet, I pretty much arrived at the same conclusion as you with Nvidia vs AMD cards. Nvidia seems to work well with everything, while AMD can excel at some, but be totally incompatible with others.
Thanks for taking interest! :)
Nice! Love seeing old parts reborn. Good thinking taking off the shroud on the GPU. Sometimes it would matter, like on blower style cards, but with these it probably even helps.
Sure will, it actually has three visual outputs, DVI, HDMI, and VGA.