Here's a video:
The B450 boards do not have chipset fans, so B450 Tomahawk Max is a good choice if you're worried about that. It's by far the cheapest as well, $115 on B&H at the moment.
I made two builds after this one using Asus X570 TUF, and Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite. These boards are both under $200 and have been fine with Ryzen 3900X, unless you really need all the USB on the Creation or the M.2 addon card, I'd save the money and go for something like one of these. If you're not running a 3900X and don't need PCIE Gen4, then the MSI B450 Tomahawk Max should be perfectly fine and you can save even more money.
Only issue I had was the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite had one malfunctioning fan header, it would only run fans at 100% - not that big of a deal for me since the other headers worked and I used a fan controller anyway. Haven't had a single problem with the Asus X570 TUF.
Chipset temp is currently 50c according to Dragon Center HW Monitor.
Yes the Gigabyte copper heatsink is removable, but I found the mounting of the motherboard heatsink over the M.2 slots to be difficult and I suspect the cooling would not be as good, so I left it off.
Alright , thanks for the response. I saw there was a category for fan controllers, but seems to be empty:
The software side is where I'm having issues. MSI Dragon Center and Mystic Light are quite buggy, at least for me.
Got the Kraken x62 installed and while it was a tight squeeze, it fits with all 4 memory slots occupied. Updated pics in the build.
I'm not sure about that. The MSI board has other BIOS issues. I'm not entirely happy with it, especially for the price.
Here's the build if you want to check it out:
Good news, it works. XMP enabled and voltage manually set to 1.35v got me to boot first try.
Haven't done any benchmarks yet but so far so good.
Yes, specifically kit F4-3600C16Q-64GTZNC
Thanks again for the help. Increasing the voltage to 1.39 volts seems to have worked on my Asus X570 TUF system with F4-3333C16D-32GTZR memory kit using DOCP. Really appreciate the tip.
I have a 64GB (16x4) kit of TridentZ Neo 3600 on the way to play with tomorrow on MSI X570 Creation. Hopefully I can get it to work.
Should be soon, but I don't think they've given any official release date yet.
For gaming 16gb is enough. Most likely 16gb is also enough for Lightroom.
If you're doing any 3D modeling, video editing, or more intensive production work then 32gb or more is nice to have.
Thanks for the help. Should probably make my own topic for this.
If I select the DOCP profile for memory in BIOS, I get crash/no post and have to clear cmos. If I leave DOCP to auto and manually set memory frequency to the advertised frequency of the installed kit, I get crash/no post and have to clear cmos.
I tried without any OC on the CPU, and also tried using Ryzen Master OC settings. OC in Ryzen Master works fine with memory in BIOS set to auto (no frequency set and no DOCP) and only if I disable the memory/infinity fabric control in Ryzen Master. If I enable Memory/IF control in Ryzen Master and set any memory frequency manually, I get crash/no post. I only tried with coupled mode so far.
These are the memory kits I have on hand:
I tried 3 different G.Skill TridentZ RGB kits. They were 3200, 3333, and 3600 kits, one of them was sold as "AMD optimized" but all XMP profiles caused crash and no post.
3900x CPU and latest BIOS.
I just built a system with the x570 TUF Gaming plus. It's ok but it has some issues:
I also just built another system with the Gigabyte X570 Elite which is exactly the same price as the TUF. It doesn't have Wifi but everything else on it is better. If you don't need WiFi I'd go with that one.
I haven't installed the x62 yet, but I'll definitely report back when I do.
My issues with the MSI board are mostly BIOS related.... settings randomly reverting to the default without notice, can't run the memory anywhere near advertised speed without crashing, Mystic Light randomly changing colors on various RGB lights to solid red instead of my settings, fan curves set in Dragon Center randomly going full speed when the temps are no where near critical.
Hopefully MSI can iron out these kinks in a BIOS / Dragon Center update.
You can use RGB fans on the side, but they will be showing the back of the fans if you use the side for intake (same for the bottom). Keep that in mind when selecting fans. I used Corsair LL120 RGB and the front of the fan looks significantly better than the back in my opinion, due to the design of the diffusion rings on the front.
You are better off putting your AIO rad at the top (360mm or 240mm will be perfect on top) because there's plenty of room there. At the side, your 24 pin power cable would be squeezed up against the rad.
You can see my build with this case and a huge EATX board here:
24 pin power cable sits in front of the middle side fan. On an ATX board it would be a bit more out of the fans way. Functionally it's fine, just doesn't look as good IMO.
I have 3 120mm fans on bottom for intake, 3 120mm on side for exhaust (would work better as intake but I wanted the front of the RGB fans showing, works ok), and 2 140mm on top for exhaust.
Airflow is good, don't have any cooling issues.
That's a really strange motherboard layout. Usually the 24 pin is not directly under the PICE slots. What kind of PC is that?
I have this case with an EATX motherboard (MSI X570 Creation) and it works fine. The recessed cable cutouts allow you to route cables perfectly even though the motherboard overlaps.
It looks a little strange but not too bad. The 24 pin power cable sits right in front of one of the fans, not really an issue though.
I got the MSI X570 Creation for all the USB connections, and the included M.2 XpanderZ. If you want to add more M.2 drives this card could be useful, although it is big and blocks airflow to any video card installed above it.
I don't like the MSI BIOS. It feels clunky, laggy, and disorganized. The RGB control via MSI's Mystic Light software is buggy and randomly reverts custom settings.
Finding a case that can fit this board is difficult. The Lian Li 011 Dynamic works great, but I didn't have any luck with other cases even when they are supposed to support EATX.
He did a series of long videos on his own channel breaking down almost every single X570 motherboard. Good stuff.
I have used the M9a when I needed low profile in a server chassis. It works well but it's really tiny. If you have the room, the extra $5 for a Hyper 212 or Pure Rock is worth it IMO.
The case is awesome, really different and fun to build in. The design is clever and gives you lots of space for cable management, in my case loads of RGB fan wiring.
You can make the case colors whatever you want using Razer's software, including red. It even has some effects with motion that are pretty cool. The Razer logo doesn't show up much though, it's a bit dim.
The Hyper 212 Evo is still around $30 if you don't mind the looks. Or FSP Windale 4 looks ok.
Under 80c at load would be best. Install Ryzen Master software and you can limit the CPU voltage to something around 1.2v until you get a better cooler, should help.
No those temps are not safe if sustained, you are approaching tjmax for that chip.
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Black was on sale for $25 on Amazon, not sure if it still is but that's a good cooler for the 3600x.
Agree, the fans included with the H500 are garbage. Too loud and buzzy.
Thanks. Got it and it's the only case I could find that fits the gigantic X570 Creation. Very happy with it.
Normal version, I don't think Max is available yet. MSI does have a bios that will make the normal version work with Ryzen 3000. It's running my 3600x fine. The Max version will have a larger BIOS chip for future updates.
I have this board running a 3600x and I had some issues with it at first. Eventually I got it working.
I loaded the latest BIOS on a USB drive and updated it with the processor and everything else installed. The first few times it didn't work for some reason, but I just kept trying the USB BIOS flashback and eventually it worked. I think it took about 5 tries.
I have no idea why it didn't work the first 4 times. It appeared to update the BIOS but my system would still not post.
I never touched the BIOS file between tries... so wasn't a version issue.
That motherboard is a tight fit in that case. I have the same board and I'm struggling to find a case for it due to the width.
That's an awesome looking case. I couldn't find much info on the size of eATX motherboards it supports, trying to find one that can fix MSI X570 Creation.
Well bloody hell, I got both the Meshify S2 and Enthoo Pro M but neither case will fit this motherboard. It's huge!
May have to return one of these cases and go with Lian Li 011 Dynamic or Corsair 680X.
You could go with a Ryzen 5 3600 and MSI B450 Tomahawk motherboard for less money and get much better performance.
I think the board should fit in Meshify S2 (Fractal Designs says it fits eATX boards up to 285mm wide), although you picked the other case I have been considering. I have an Enthoo Pro M housing my previous build and I've been pretty happy with it.
I want to stick with 3600 memory for this processor and I've already got it from a sale on Newegg for $180.
Good point, thanks. Going with Meshify S2 for the front airflow.
Must be due to the cards just being added, or a bug. They'll work for sure.
Width shouldn't matter unless it's your case you are worried about. That motherboard has PCI-E X16 Gen3 which is perfect for that card.
What case are you using?
Try to find 3600 memory if you can for that processor.
Go with M.2 storage instead of SATA for about the same price, much faster. ADATA - XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2 is a good choice.
2070 Super is not a bad choice.
You can get a Seasonic FOCUS Plus 750 Platinum SSR-750PX for about the same price as that XFX PSU on Amazon at the moment.
Yes, they will be fine together.
Where did you find the 2070 Super Gaming X Trio in stock?
Just got one backordered on Newegg.
My local best buy sold out within an hour.
Anyone know where to actually buy a 3900x?
It doesn't really matter, you can put a 120 or 140 on the top based on whatever your preference is or what you have available. Both will work fine. If you want more or less positive pressure you can always adjust the fan speeds.
The top can take either 120mm or 140mm without any issue. The rear can only fit a 120mm fan.
There's no issues mixing different size fans in a case, so long as the case has mounting locations that can accommodate them.
It looks like the H500/H510 is designed to maintain positive air pressure, with the front intake fans being larger than the top and rear exhaust fans.
Looks pretty good.
What are you going to use for a case? Open air?
One time charge, then it's billed every year.