How is this a completed build?
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Your build looks great but I think you could save a decent amount of money in a few areas and save yourself some headaches.
You don't need to pay an extra $50 for the X. Get the 3600 and overclock it.
MSI motherboards have a lot of issues with Ryzen 3000, because of these problems, I don't recommend them.
The ASRock Fatality board is in the midrange tier for VRM on the AM4 VRM tier list.
I just used non-RGB. You have plenty of budget left over if you want to add the RGB back.
You can actually get a 1TB NVMe drive for really cheap, so I used that.
Why not the RX 5700? While I don't disagree that the RX 5700 is a faster card, it is very new and you could clearly tell it has some early driver issues based on reviews. In fact, it simply didn't run several productivity benchmarks, and is essentially unusable in Premier Pro. Also, non-blower cards aren't expected until mid-August so the reference model is hot and noisy.
The one you had chosen does not have fans. You need fans. I really like the P300 because it is build well. You have budget left over to RGB it out if that floats your boat.
This 650 watt, silver rated PSU got a phenomenal score from JonneyGURU, and while it is a bit dated, I think it is a fine entry level PSU. It doesn't hurt that it is barely not Gold rated.
Good luck on your new build!
FYI That case doesn't come with any fans. Also you can still get a 1TB NVMe SSD for cheaper than the M.2 B+M drive you listed.
EDIT: Also, not sure if this issue has been resolved but this was recently posted on r/buildapc saying not to recommend MSI B450/X470 motherboards without a disclaimer that they have several issues with Ryzen 3000.
8 core 16 thread is more than most games use. I feel like it's important to use Zen 2 because Photoshop (unless this changed) uses only 4 cores, according to Puget Systems, so I wanted strong single core performance. I just converted the MSRP USD to CAD.
I mainly chose this because it is in budget and is relatively beefy. It also supports SLI which is a plus.
Ryzen benefits from fast RAM, so I picked 3200mhz because it is the maximum officially supported by the motherboard. Getting two individual 16 GB sticks is cheaper than a 2x16 pack.
3gb/s read and 3.5gb/s write is REALLY fast. Plus this SSD is pretty cheap per GB.
One of the best price per GB hard drives on PCPP
I'm using the RTX 2060 as a placeholder for the RTX 2060 Super. I manually entered the price in CAD for the super.
I was looking for the cheapest case with good cable management and tempered glass. Decent airflow was a plus.
Hypothetically this should be fine, but you could swap this out for a 750 to be careful. I couldn't find the recommended PSU for RTX 2060 Super.
1440p, 144hz, IPS. This is a really good balance between productivity and gaming.
This is a really nice keyboard. If you want a better PSU I'd swap this out for cheaper keyboard.
Makes sense. Thanks!
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This is definitely well optimized for Photoshop. I'm not sure how the 8700 stacks up against the 2700 (overclocked) in gaming. My thought process here is that the 2700 might get more fps and once overclocked will deliver a very similar photoshop experience to the 8700.
Going based on this, the 8700 is better for Photoshop but in my experience running it on an i3 laptop, Photoshop is already fairly quick, which is why I think the difference would be quite small. For gaming one benchmark I saw on a quick google search had the 2700 just edging out the 8700.
I really don't know, just giving an extra opinion.
That PSU is no longer recommended. I own it and there is nothing wrong with it, but for a current build you probably shouldn't use it. It lacks safety features IIRC. Also, please don't pair a K SKU CPU with anything other than Z170/270/370.
Actually the Meshify Mini C is a pretty large mATX case.
And by that logic everyone would build mITX. I'm not saying mATX is inherently bad (I personally use a mATX board), I was just wondering what your reasoning was.
Because you can get a similar ATX motherboard and the same case in ATX form factor for cheaper.
Definitely room in the budget to go intel if you wanted to with the 8700k, but I feel that the 2700 represents better value, especially since you mentioned rendering.
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Just wondering, why mATX?
Dual RX 550's should be able to run 3 monitors each (6 total). For running all that, you will probably want 32 GB of RAM and a high core count CPU. I definitely came in under budget but that gives you room for extra customization, a higher end case, or other upgrades to your setup like keyboard mouse speakers etc.
Yes, the 2070 is a bit better than the 1080, and it isn't much more expensive. The Meshify C is a great case, and you could totally go with that, but if he likes RGB I recommend the 460X. Doesn't have the best airflow but it comes with three RGB fans and obviously, RGB is more important than airflow since it has a direct impact on FPS /s. I wasn't going to put the RGB SSD in, but in terms of price/gb it's actually pretty good and there are certainly worse SSDs. Trident Z RGB was a no-brainer. I chose that kit because it was the cheapest 16 gb, RGB kit over 3000 Mhz not including that hideous Skywalker stuff. Finally, my pick for CPU was because I really don't think the 8700k/9700k can justify pricing compared to the 2700. Also, the extra threads will help for streaming.
Hey, I'm semi-hijacking this thread so sorry, but at that budget, you may want to use some of the money on a better monitor so that you can fully take advantage of the computer. Here is a link to an updated build I did including the 2700X and a monitor. You can use your current one as a secondary display.
No, I don't think it is required for 1080p gaming. OP would be just fine with an even cheaper build than the one you linked. That said, if he has the money now, I think he should buy the best PC possible because it will last longer. I did read the rest of the thread and now that I know what monitor he has (I assumed he wanted to play competitively with a 1080p 144 Hz or higher), I would say use the 2700x that he has and build something like this:
1070 Ti should be able to run Minecraft at 1440p 144 Hz (correct me if I'm wrong), and the monitor goes up to 165, which I believe the 1070 Ti can hit but I'm not sure. Also, it is IPS, 27 inches, and supports G-Sync.
Edit: Changed some parts to be closer to budget. Added better RAM, (CAS 14 3200), and a 2070. Nearly identical to the list you made.
Edit #2: I'm stupid and forgot the 2700X doesn't have a cooler, I personally like the Dark Rock 4/Pro 4 but AIO watercoolers are great too. Should add ~$100 to the budget.
Even assuming you pick the cheapest available parts that you specified, the build comes out above 2500. Here is a parts list with what you specified using the cheapest available parts:
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You used a lot of brand bias too. Parts should not be recommended solely on brand. Other companies make good SSDs, other companies make good PSUs, other companies make good motherboards.
1080p gaming is pretty CPU bound, so I went with a 9900K. Unfortunately, I couldn't fit a 2080 Ti in the budget because it is WAY more expensive than the 2080.
I don't know a ton about LoL/Streaming LoL, so I can't verify nor deny what Hotsmithy2016 said but this is probably the best gaming computer you can get on that budget.
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Managed to get it even a bit cheaper.
Why an i9 with a 1070?
Ok cool. The way The Verge worded it made me think that you only got the game if you downloaded it: “Those who download the game between now and November 18th will be able to keep it forever”
If I download the game on one computer, then delete it can I still get it on another?
Because the i5 costs significantly more, OP downgrades GPU from 1070 Ti to 1070, and loses a significant amount of storage. That’s why AMD is better value.
You might want to read this: https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-Adobe-Photoshop-CC-139/Hardware-Recommendations
Edit: Following that guide this is what I got for a parts list optimised for photoshop:
I would buy a 1080 (cheaper than the Vega 64 you listed), and swap that motherboard for a B450 Tomahawk or Pro Carbon.
That is perfectly acceptable
Can confirm. I bought an H7 off amazon a few months ago that came with the bracket they should definitely all be shipping with the AM4 bracket by now.
R5 2600 is a better value build, especially if you do stream:
But here's an 8600K build:
Just over budget but quite a bit more performance:
Had to cut corners in terms of storage and motherboard choice but this is max performance you can get on that budget. I'm assuming you're referring to USD but I can try something else if you are referring to a different currency.
2600 is definitely overpowered for a 1050Ti, especially since OP is gaming
Here is a rough outline of what your specs list probably looks like currently:
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I would recommend getting a 2x8 kit of RAM, R7 2700X and GTX 1080Ti, as well as a new cooler, case, PSU and motherboard, but you can keep the RAM and hard drives. A build like that would look like this:
Just adding to what you said, depending on his RAM config he could keep what he has or add more. For example, if he's running 2x4, he could definitely keep what he has now and upgrade to 4x4.
Edit: just saw he's running 16 GB, so if it's 2x8 he can add more to get 32
Since you use Premire, I chose Intel. I would recommend waiting for more benchmarks though. I just chose 9700K becuase it wasn't much more expensive
Nope. The CPU comes with the cooler
Yep. I listed an APU so you shouldn’t need a GPU, but you can add one later.
Tried to get it as close as possible. 16 GB of RAM would be better but older games shouldn't need it.
The second 1080p monitor can be rotated sideways and used as a second monitor, or it can be left landscape and used to watch videos since it is IPS.
I would say go with the 1070. It's a great deal, and not that much more expensive than a 580. Make sure the 1070 works and is real though price almost seems too good to be true tbh.
Just a heads up. New GPUs may be on the way. I don't know how soon exactly. I don't know enough about the new cards to trust myself to give you any real advice about it. Jay made a good video about it recently though. I believe it is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=796S3oZmmcE.
I went over budget a little. You could save money by going with a GTX 1070Ti instead. Bitwit did a video showing him getting 1080 (stock) performance on a 1070Ti. I know you want to overclock and many overclockers will go liquid but I decided to go Air with the Cryorig H5 Ultimate. This chart shows it coming up just behind the NoctuaNH D-15. Also, to help OC temps, you might consider a case better suited for airflow, I greavitated a bit more towards aestetics becasue I don't know you, or your personality, or what you prioritize. If you are more function over form go for something with a less restrictive front panel. In terms of monitors. I went with 2 1080p, 24 inch 144hz displays. You could have gone with one 27 inch 1440p 1440hz and a cheapo secondary monitor but that doesn't look as good imo. Overcloc3d.net did a review of the Strix board I selected which mentioned that VRM temps were a bit high due to poor loadline calibration on the test BIOS, but it should be fixed in a bios update very soon.
Intel for gaming. Can't really go wrong with any of the current options by either brand though.
To add to the veggies part. Typical toppings are lettuce, tomato, and onions. Sometimes the onions are caramelized and other times they are fried. The processes of caramelizing/frying onions introduces a lot of fat. Iceberg lettuce basically contains no nutrients and neither does a single (or two) slice(s) of tomato.
2nd Edit: I was completely wrong. I found the temp_input file in the directory for my GPU and kept repeatedly reading it in the terminal with the cat command. Turns out the card never got above 36C, and according to Anandtech, that is just 5 degrees off idle. I decided to be conservative and try switching to the 0a pstate using:
sudo echo 0a > /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/pstate
but it denied me permission, so now I'm looking to fix that problem if anyone knows how to help fix that.
Hi, Thanks for your help!
According to the Arch Wiki, Proprietary Nvidia drivers for outdated cards (700 series or lower) require you to downgrade Xorg. After searching a bit, it seems like downgrading Xorg would be less than ideal. I see that I didn't have the xf86-video-nouveau driver installed. I will download that and either edit or reply to this post with what happens. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Unsupported_drivers
Edit: Yeah that driver did nothing since it is just 2D acceleration. I did try checking power management with
sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/pstate
07: core 405 MHz memory 648 MHz
0a: core 405-1032 MHz memory 1620 MHz
0e: core 405-1254 MHz memory 7010 MHz
0f: core 405-1254 MHz memory 7010 MHz
AC: core 405 MHz memory 648 MHz
Thanks for informing me. I did not think to check userbench. Heads up that the Biostar motherboard is not compatible with Ryzen 2. (2600 etc)
I figured he might be better off leaving some upgradeability down the line since he mentioned rebuilding anyways. RAM will likely get cheaper and it might be a hassle to sell a 2x4 kit just to get 2x8 once he needs it.