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The new Mac Pro.

Nullarc77

2 months ago

So Apple announced their new Mac Pro yesterday. And... Well the base price is $6000 for 8c/16t, 32gb RAM, Radeon Pro 580x(which from what I can tell is an RX 580 that has been customized for Apple) and a 256gb SSD.

So I just want to get out of that way. I know that likely nobody here will buying one. So this is more going to be a discussion about the pricing. I also know this is not targeted at the average consumer.

But with that being said I have never seen such bad pricing before in my life. I mean with $6000 you get this.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Threadripper 2990WX 3 GHz 32-Core Processor $1617.01 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler Noctua - NH-U9 TR4-SP3 46.44 CFM CPU Cooler $69.90 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - X399 Taichi ATX TR4 Motherboard $269.99 @ Newegg
Memory Crucial - 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $117.98 @ Newegg
Memory Crucial - 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $117.98 @ Newegg
Memory Crucial - 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $117.98 @ Newegg
Memory Crucial - 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $117.98 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 970 Evo 2 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $549.97 @ Amazon
Video Card PNY - Quadro RTX 5000 16 GB Video Card $2311.09 @ Newegg
Case Inwin - 303 ATX Mid Tower Case $150.00 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $409.99 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Pro Full - USB 32/64-bit $199.89 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $6049.76
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-06-04 09:42 EDT-0400

And they are also releasing a 6k monitor for $5000. The stand is not included. The stand is $1000...

Anyway. Could somebody explain to me how is this could be considered "reasonable pricing". Again this is not targeted at the average consumer. But what consumer is this targeted at to where this pricing makes sense?

This topic may seen a bit ranty but I am honestly just baffled at the fact that I haven't seen anybody calling apple out on this.

What are your thoughts on this?

EDIT: Also the base model Imac Pro had better specs for cheaper and it cones with a monitor, that actually has a stand.

And the official product page.

https://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

Comments

  • 2 months ago
  • 5 points

I mean, I have been looking for a new cheese grater...

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

that would have to be the most expensive cheese grater in history..

But apple..

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Well.... for one I didn't get a "ranty" tone from your post.

I am considering getting my wife a new computer. So should I get her a mini computer that runs Windows or should I start with the Apple monitor stand?

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Tough decision. I would say the stand. You would at least have something to build off of in 20 years when you have saved to afford the rest of the system.

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Anyway. Could somebody explain to me how is this could be considered "reasonable pricing". Again this is not targeted at the average consumer. But what consumer is this targeted at to where this pricing makes sense?

This is targeted to industry professionals. Studios that are pressed to make and edit content that's worth hundreds of thousands of dollars are definitely going to spend a few thousand to ensure that the product will be produced in a timely fashion. Despite what everyone is saying, it really isn't overpriced, compared to the competition. Believe it or not, they are actually undercutting a lot of the other industry grade computers. Yeah it's expensive to a normal consumer but for a studio worth millions, it's just pocket change. Go look and spec out a workstation from Dell or HP like the Z6, and it's crazy how expensive those things get.

But with that being said I have never seen such bad pricing before in my life. I mean with $6000 you get this.

It's important to keep in mind, that the companies buying these things aren't buying the base spec model. Their getting multiple top end models that can cost up to $50k. Again, these computers aren't marketed to you or me.

As for the $1000 stand, I honestly don't know. Generally, the studios that they are marketing towards already have equipment, with multiple $40k monitors like these attached to a wall, hence the stand being labeled an accessory. But as for why it costs so much, idk. My hunch is that Apple is testing the waters to see how far people will go to buy something absurdly expensive. However, this monitor seems to be targeted towards prosumers and industries rather than exclusively just industries, because of how low the price is (relatively; 6k vs 24k for a trimaster). But then again, anyone who is looking for supreme color accuracy probably probably owns a Sony Trimaster panel or the like. But if those people are running MacOS, Apples new monitor makes sense. A 32 inch 6k monitor will retain a pixel density of about 220ppi, the target ppi of which MacOS is based around. (see the 27inch 5k LG-Apple display) Also for the price, that thing has crazy HDR capabilities, which video editors would find invaluable.

Also, this is why it comes with only a 256GB SSD when it costs $6k. Cause there's a good chance that a studio already has access to top of the line servers filled with their work on hundreds of terabytes.


Bottom line, you gotta remember that this high end cheesegrater isn't to play games, and isn't meant to be cost effective for the average consumer. You really can't compare gaming PC's to industrial machines, because their 2 completely different markets. Bottom line, Apple isn't stupid. Sure they might have overpriced Macbooks and phones, but they also have access to some of the best business people in the world. They know their market, and they know what their doing.

I gotta say, I've been very critical of Apple over the past 4 years, but this is the first time in a while where I'm actually impressed.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I know it's not targeted towards you or me and I said that a few times. But even then. The people that is targeted towards(because this thing is being marketed towards video editors that do stuff like youtube) can get better deals elsewhere. I did look at Dell's offerings and they are over priced, But not nearly to this extent. You can at least get a decent GPU and storage for the price.

Bottom line, you gotta remember that this high end cheesegrater isn't to play games, and isn't meant to be cost effective for the average consumer. You really can't compare gaming PC's to industrial machines, because their 2 completely different markets.

But I am not comparing gaming PC's to it. Like the list I have in my OP is a workstation. It would be terrible at gaming for the price. But for workstation use it would be pretty good for the price. I understand that yes the main market will be massive studios, but then who is the base model for? In the past the Mac Pros were targeted towards professionals, but also people like a guy on youtube making videos about cheese that needs to edit videos. And I guess that is kind of what the Imac Pro is for(The base model Imac pro has better specs than the base model Mac Pro), but still. If they wanted to market this towards the companies that spend $50000 on workstations, and not also to the average content creator then the base model really has no reason for existing IMO.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

The people that is targeted towards(because this thing is being marketed towards video editors that do stuff like youtube)

The base 6k one, sure you could say that some youtube would buy it to edit videos. But the real market apple is going after isn't a vlogger. It's the people that are busy editing 3 8k videos simultaneously. That's where their goal lies.

But I am not comparing gaming PC's to it. Like the list I have in my OP is a workstation

Yeah I was just sorta making a general statement for the people saying stuff like "my $1500 PC is better". I should have been more clear.

but then who is the base model for?

Apple doesn't seem to care about the base model. They just needed a starting place as a baseline. I mean 1.5 TB or RAM? The model that has that is going to be super expensive, and their profit margins would be substantial on that model. However the base model could work out for people that want Final Cut Pro X, which is incredibly well optimized for MacOS. People joke about the "apple tax", but it's a legitimate thing. There's no where else to go if you want exactly what Apple offers. And for some people, that's worth paying extra for.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah I was just sorta making a general statement for the people saying stuff like "my $1500 PC is better". I should have been more clear.

Okay that makes sense now. I mean the average $1500 gaming PC is better than most of Apple's product line, so they probably aren't wrong lol.

The base 6k one, sure you could say that some youtube would buy it to edit videos. But the real market apple is going after isn't a vlogger. It's the people that are busy editing 3 8k videos simultaneously. That's where their goal lies.

True. And I get it. But it just seems to me as far as pure power goes the options from Dell for example are much better priced.

Apple doesn't seem to care about the base model. They just needed a starting place as a baseline. I mean 1.5 TB or RAM? The model that has that is going to be super expensive, and their profit margins would be substantial on that model. However the base model could work out for people that want Final Cut Pro X, which is incredibly well optimized for MacOS. People joke about the "apple tax", but it's a legitimate thing. There's no where else to go if you want exactly what Apple offers. And for some people, that's worth paying extra for.

I expect the 1.5tb model to be in the $40,000-$50,000 range.

I guess if you require a program that uses Mac OS only and you have no alternatives then this would be a good option.

This whole thing just looks like something Apple wants to make insane profit margins off of instead of providing decent price to performance. I could be wrong. Guess we will need to wait and see.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Okay that makes sense now. I mean the average $1500 gaming PC is better than most of Apple's product line, so they probably aren't wrong lol.

For gaming sure. But for ya know a workstation, intended for extreme use, probably not.

I expect the 1.5tb model to be in the $40,000-$50,000 range.

I read a report saying that it will max out at $35k. Which doesn't make sense since 1.5TB of ECC DDR4 would cost around $20k.

This whole thing just looks like something Apple wants to make insane profit margins off of instead of providing decent price to performance

Apple has been out of the serious high end game for a while now. It's nice to see that they're finally getting back in, especially in the monitor side. It's also important to remember that those million dollar companies couldn't care less about price to performance, as long as the performance can deliver.

Guess we will need to wait and see.

Exactly. It's honestly too early to make any calls yet, especially since they don't have a configurator up.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

For gaming sure. But for ya know a workstation, intended for extreme use, probably not.

I mean Apple's Imacs, Imac Pros and Mac minis. That's the product line I was referring to. Should have been more clear.

I read a report saying that it will max out at $35k. Which doesn't make sense since 1.5TB of ECC DDR4 would cost around $20k.

Yeah the lowest price I found was $1500 sticks. But Apple will be paying less then that. But I would expect it to cost $20000 just to go from 32gb to 1.5tb.

Exactly. It's honestly too early to make any calls yet, especially since they don't have a configurator up.

True. But hey if they do release a 28 core, 56 thread, dual Vega II, 1.5tb computer for $35000 then it will be a good value.

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Sure, it's overpriced. If it's built anything like the 2009-2012 Mac Pro, it's also nearly silent and virtually indestructible. I still run my 2009 Mac Pro (with various upgrades) as a datanode in a cluster. One of the fans is starting to make some noise and I'll probably replace it next year. And, it runs OS/X, which is no bad thing.

The target market will be fine with paying the Apple tax since it's a rounding error in the overall budget, and because time is money. If the new Mac Pro turns out to be flaky in the slightest, it will fail.

$1000 for the stand is kind of over the top, but I imagine that the same comment applies: if it will help your editors and CGI specialists bring in the end result faster, because they are more comfortable in where the screen is, it will pay for itself with the first job.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

It has passive cooling on the CPU and GPU, but it has three fans at the front

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Not too different from the old cheese grater then. I hope they are using fans as good as the old MP, my machine has been on for close to 10 years straight and one them is just now starting to hiss a bit.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

In very short, A lot of Apple fans will buy anything that says Apple on it and pay for the Apple fandom.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

BuY An ApPlE StIcKeR OfF EbAy lol. I sticked it on my chrome book ;)

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Apple has always been overpriced for what You get but they are also the only way to get the Pro Vega II and Vega II Duo currently.

The Radeon Pro Vega II Duo is the first dual-GPU graphics card from AMD in ages. Purpose built for the Mac Pro (and available on the Apple workstation only), this card puts two fully unlocked "Vega 20" MCMs with 32 GB HBM2 memory each on a single PCB. The card uses a bridge chip to connect the two GPUs to the system bus, but in addition, has an 84.5 GB/s InfinityFabric link running between the two GPUs, for rapid memory access, GPU and memory virtualization, and interoperability between the two GPUs, bypassing the host system bus. In addition to certifications for every conceivable content creation suite for the MacOS platform, AMD dropped in heavy optimization for the Metal 3D graphics API. For now the two graphics cards are only available as options for the Apple Mac Pro. The single-GPU Pro Vega II may see standalone product availability later this year, but the Pro Vega II Duo will remain a Mac Pro-exclusive.

https://www.techpowerup.com/256234/amd-announces-the-radeon-pro-vega-ii-and-pro-vega-ii-duo-graphics-cards

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

If it's not sarcasm then... Why would get that when I can get an nVidia Quadro RTX that can render stuff in real time? For what will be cheaper. Because the new mac pro could go up to $35000.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sLNv6h/pny-quadro-rtx-6000-24-gb-video-card-vcqrtx6000-pb

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8kF48d/pny-quadro-rtx-8000-48-gb-video-card-vcqrtx8000-pb

Or even one of AMD's own high end GPUs.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bxhj4D/amd-radeon-pro-wx-9100-16gb-video-card-100-505957

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Not sarcasm they have always been overpriced for what You get. You haven't looked at previous generations I am going to guess.

Or even one of AMD's own high end GPUs.

That's a first gen Vega not what You can get with the Mac which are fully enabled VII with double the memory or a double fully enabled VII for 4x the memory.

AMD is producing them for Apple exclusively because of the proprietary connectors.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-pro-vega-ii-7nm-gpus-apple-specs,39571.html

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

No I have looked at previous generations, but I don't recall the pricing ever being this bad. As in paying nearly 4-5 times what the price of the system actually is. Even when the trash can Mac Pro launched it's pricing wasn't that bad.

That's a first gen Vega not what You can get with the Mac which are fully enabled VII with double the memory or a double fully enabled VII for 4x the memory.

True. But the pricing on that is going to be insane. Probably similar to the Quadro RTX 8000 for the top end. My point was that AMD's current high end workstation GPUs are far cheaper then what the Mac Pro will cost to upgrade it's GPUs.

And you can get a Radeon VII(which was what my list originally included till I realized I had about $1600 left before I hit $6000) for around $700. But without the extra vram.

Also that article mentions that Radeon instinct GPUs is what the Vega Pro II is based off of. GPUs that have the 32gb of HBM2 already. So Apple's Vega GPU looks to similar to Polaris Apple GPUs. They take an existing GPU, make a few modifications and stick a huge price increase on it. Nothing wrong with taking an existing GPU and modifying it your own purposes, but the price increase is going to be insane.

EDIT: When I said sarcasm I meant about the

but they are also the only way to get the Pro Vega II and Vega II Duo currently.

That's that part I though could ve sarcasm.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Also that article mentions that Radeon instinct GPUs is what the Vega Pro II is based off of. GPUs that have the 32gb of HBM2 already. So Apple's Vega GPU looks to similar to Polaris Apple GPUs. They take an existing GPU, make a few modifications and stick a huge price increase on it. Nothing wrong with taking an existing GPU and modifying it your own purposes, but the price increase is going to be insane.

Apples GPU run entirely off of slot power. And the Instinct they are based off of are not consumer available cards or available in dual GPU configurations.

RTX cards are more give and take depending on the compute used and are not available as dual or with the memory capacity.

So You can't even build similar.

Apple has a unique option here in that even if You could source two MI60 accelerators Apples card is faster with the fabric interconnect.

Edit: And for the uses these are intended for the VRAM capacity is just as important as the core performance.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Apples GPU run entirely off of slot power.

Technically. But that is using a new custom additional slot that gives power. So it is using a power connector. Just not a standard cable like my Vega 56 for example.

And the Instinct they are based off of are not consumer available cards or available in dual GPU configurations.

True. But nVidia has alternatives that due to NVLink can act as 1 single card. And keep in mind that this is not 1 GPU. It's 2. Just on the same card. As with NVLink it's 2 cards.

RTX cards are more give and take depending on the compute used and are not available as dual or with the memory capacity.

NVLink allows for the vram of GPUs to stack. So you can basically turn 2 GPUs into 1. That is what NVLink was designed for. Mass expansion.

So You can't even build similar.

Depends on the model. The base model you absolutely can build similar. With the top end model. Well if you are spending that much why not go with nVidia? And similar does not mean spec to spec. At least not when I use it in these types of comparisons. If I mean spec to spec I will say spec to spec. That is why in the part list I had linked in the OP it had an AMD threadripper. Just wanted to clarify that.

Overall. For the same price you can get a lot more performance. I think that if the highest end model does cost $35000 then you will be able to get a whole lot more for the money. And I highly doubt that 2 of those Vega GPU's would be able to compete with something like dual RTX 8000s, granted we don't really know because we don't have a comparison yet.

Apple has a unique option here in that even if You could source two MI60 accelerators Apples card is faster with the fabric interconnect.

Probably. But then again. nVidia is a big competitor here.

Guess we will just need to wait and see. But if the highest end model is around $35000 then you will be able to build something more powerful for cheaper, a lot cheaper. As in at least $5000 cheaper.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I have ONLY seen people talking about this in the format of "calling apple out on this" lol.

The pricing is ridiculous, I agree. People who buy equipment for workstations are used to getting reamed up the *** and keep doing it anyways. Even the Quadro line is just Nvidia rebranding hardware and shipping it with different firmware for a 500% price increase, been doing it for years.

Could somebody explain to me how is this could be considered "reasonable pricing".

No, not from a consumer mindset. It's not supposed to be. I doubt Apple called it that.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

In nVidias defense the more optimized drivers and firmware do provide considerable increases in performance. I remember an LTT video where they put a gtx 1080ti up against I think it was a p400(which was like a $150-$200 quadro) and the p400 tied or won against the 1080ti(but I would need to find the video again so take what was just said with a grain of salt)

But I do get that spec for spec workstation grade GPUs are over priced compared to "gaming" GPUs.

I don't know. It just seems weird that now the "Apple Tax" is about $5000 for this base model. Because you can build a similar spec system for about $1000 or less. Now to perfectly match it, it would be closer to $1500 . But yikes. That's still a huge a Apple Tax.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Found the video. It was the p1000 not p400. But still the the price difference was huge back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-90qEJAVkU

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Yup I've actually seen this one.

This is just Apple selling a workstation, so you're getting the Apple upcharge + the workstation upcharge. It's double the nonsense.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah. I am interested to see how high the pricing will go. They say it will support up to 1.5tb of RAM. The only way that's possible is with 128gb sticks. And 12x128gb costs around $18000. So I think this could easily go up to $50000.

Unless they do sort of super custom soldered solution but I don't think that will happen because of how much they bragging about modularity.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

Marketing: So Apple, how expensive do you want this new Mac Pro to be??? Apple: ...yes...

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Don't bother trying to make sense of what apple says or the reasons they price things so high.

Just isn't worth your time.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Apple tax. They're only charging that high because of the brand, which they know people will pay for no matter how stupid.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

True. It just amazes me that people buy it.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Again this is not targeted at the average consumer

You said it yourself, this is targeted towards professionals, who will pay a small Apple tax (to them) for the fastest editing possible. The stand, i'll give it to you, is an absolute freakin joke. $1000 LUL

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

a small Apple tax (to them)

Idk. This thing could cost as much as $35000. And even with the base model you are paying $4500-$5000 more than what you would if you built a PC with similar specs. Granted I doubt there will be a lot if people that buy this and go for the base model. But still. No matter how you slice this thing, paying 4-5x the normal price as Apple Tax a bug chunk of change even for large corporations. Especially when for Render farms, that typically want decent price to performance. And most companies no matter how large want the best for their money. Especially when they are spending hundreds of thousands, even millions on new systems. That "small to them" Apple tax will end up being huge.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

This thing could cost as much as $35000

Ok, I didn't hear about that TBH, that's quite the number lol.

And even with the base model you are paying $4500-$5000 more than what you would if you built a PC with similar specs

Yeah, that's true, but they're also paying for macOS and all of its exclusive apps, and the guarantee that it will work out of the box + a warranty for one year for the whole thing, Something you can't building your own PC. Ontop of that you're paying for the whole Apple eco-system thing. (i.e little things like airdrop)

Especially when they are spending hundreds of thousands, even millions on new systems.

You kinda underestimate the budget here of people buying it. It isn't startup companies with no money, it's established brands that will be buying it. For them, $6000 is like a drop of water in an ocean.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Ok, I didn't hear about that TBH, that's quite the number lol.

Well it's just speculation from a tech news source(forgot who, should be easy to find) But I think it will be even more due to the price if 128gb sticks if RAM.

Yeah, that's true, but they're also paying for macOS and all of its exclusive apps, and the guarantee that it will work out of the box + a warranty for one year for the whole thing, Something you can't building your own PC. Ontop of that you're paying for the whole Apple eco-system thing. (i.e little things like airdrop)

Well most of the parts have multi year warranties, and I don't need to take it to Apple to have fixed if I don't want to. I can do it myself or have a third party do it, but I see your point. And you can buy extended warrantees for most parts.

As far as exclusive apps, they are paying for access to exclusive apps since the apps will be an extra cost.

And as far as working out of the box, buy from Dell you have that guarantee, and there is very very low chance of high end components being DOA.

The eco system is only good if you have other apple products. So it varies.

You kinda underestimate the budget here of people buying it. It isn't startup companies with no money, it's established brands that will be buying it. For them, $6000 is like a drop of water in an ocean.

I understand. They have millions to spend on workstation upgrades. But if I personally had to make the decision I would go with a company like Dell, simply for better price to performance. But that is my opinion.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Well most of the parts have multi year warranties, and I don't need to take it to Apple to have fixed if I don't want to. I can do it myself or have a third party do it, but I see your point. And you can buy extended warrantees for most parts.

Yeah, you don't, but time adds up when you have to take out one separate part and get it fixed rather than just dumping the whole system to one company.

And as far as working out of the box, buy from Dell you have that guarantee

No. When you buy from DELL, you don't get macOS, and if the programs you were working on before are macOS exclusive, what do you do then?

In addition to that you're paying for the possible 128GB VRAM from the GPU's which feature passive cooling, which is why Apple are prob pricing it so high.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, you don't, but time adds up when you have to take out one separate part and get it fixed rather than just dumping the whole system to one company.

True. But if time is the worry than you could just straight up buy a new part.

No. When you buy from DELL, you don't get macOS, and if the programs you were working on before are macOS exclusive, what do you do then?

I wasn't really talking about software. I thought you meant that it will out of the box as far as hardware.

In addition to that you're paying for the possible 128GB VRAM from the GPU's which feature passive cooling, which is why Apple are prob pricing it so high.

Only 64gb as of now. In the Vega Pro Duos the VRAM will be stacked between each GPU in the Duo. But we don't know if it will still stack if you have 2 duos. Which it probably won't. Unless you have something that says it will, in that case I would like to read it. But as far as I know the max will be 64gb if VRAM. Whereas if you take something like nVidia's RTX 8000 which has 48gb of VRAM, which does stack. When you put it in NVLink with another RTX 8000 you now have 96gb of VRAM.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Anyway. Could somebody explain to me how is this could be considered "reasonable pricing".

If the target demographic wants to pay those prices, then it's reasonable.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

$6000 Cheesegrater

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Say what you want about pricing, but up to 1.5TB of RAM is impressive. However, I expect that model to cost upwards of $20,000.

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I expect the it to cost upwards of $40,000 easy. That RAM alone would cost $15,000-$18,000.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Why in the **** are they charging $1000 for a stand!? You can go buy one on Amazon for like $30 that will work just as good. This is literally printing off money from them since it must cost like $15 for them to make.

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

Well it's a special, over engineered, non vesa compatible magnetic thingamajig. A vesa mount adapter costs $200. Those third part $30 stands are going to sell.

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I don't know if someone else has said this but for professionals, property Apple software like Final Cut and Logic Pro is extremely important. Of course, it's ridiculously expensive, but then again it's not really meant for the average consumer like you or me.

I have a 2017 MacBook Pro with a dual core i5, so pretty bad specs, but FinalCut still renders video faster than my i7 (4core,8thread) desktop does on Premiere Pro

The stand is absolutely crazy though, obviously a marketing stunt

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Has anything from Apple ever been reasonable?

The Apple TAX is heavy. You want one of their machines, then you know that they have the right to charge whatever seems reasonable to them.

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