Description

This is a personal-budget science computing rig.

The 1080ti just arrived and works ok. This is my 3rd AMD desktop (K6-233 served me 1996-2004, Athlon64 2004-2017).

Computer is matched with three K272HUL (on sale at Newegg) 2K monitors for Nvidia Surround.

Roughly half my money for this build went to Microcenter, third to Nvidia store, and sixth to Newegg. Too bad Nvidia charges sales tax.

The Ryzen 1800X got tested ok to 4250 MHz. TridentZ runs at 3200-16. It only ran at 2933 with 1700X, so memory speed does depend on the CPU (data fabric clock in Ryzen); Crosshair VI board is with original BIOS 0702.

H60 cooler helps lower the CPU temperature by 2-3°C compared to air cooler. Crosshair VI has so much plastic on it that it prevents normal (roof) installation of the water cooler radiator in a normal ATX mid tower case. I had to mount the radiator on the front of the case. Now the case had to be modded to fit the radiator.

Airflow velocity and pressure calculation done with Epanet2 hydraulic analysis tool.

Ryzen and Nvidia GTX 1080 ti power consumption does not exceed 453W so the 850W power supply was a bit too much. This power includes 3 displays (Acer 272HUL) in Nvidia Surround for Ghost Recon Wildlands, measured with CyberPower 1350PFCLCD at the power cables.

1080ti temperature runs ~75°C inside, measured with SeekThermal camera.

Update: Started with a $2000 budget but memory upgrade from 16 to 32GB and the second 1080ti pushed it a bit over 2K; Now half of the total budget went to Nvidia, the rest is mostly Microcenter. CPU runs at 3.97 GHz, memory at 3200-16 speed. Using BIOS 9945 but planning to update to the just released 3101. SLI works well both in Win10 ver.1709 and in Ubuntu ver.1704.

Comments

  • 30 months ago
  • 2 points

You used an Athlon 64 for 13 years? Now you have me curious, what kinda OS were you running and what exactly do you do? Science computing doesn't exactly sound like it has low hardware requirements.

+1 for your build.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you. The Athlon64 is the home machine running (still) the winXP. I plan to use the Ryzen for molecular modeling hence the need for a fast but relatively inexpensive GPU.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

I'm impressed you stuck with the same hardware and OS for so long. I feel the need to upgrade periodically and I'm not even in the need of that much more performance than I already have.

  • 30 months ago
  • 2 points

Frankly I also felt the need to upgrade but Intel changed from a logical sequence of naming its processors to a plethora of i3, i5, i7 and tons of submodels, so I just couldn't make up my mind which one I want. AMD came with eight cores and new storage such as M.2 appeared and the 1080ti at nearly the same time so I couldn't resist and pulled the (long overdue) trigger.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

My PC life cycle is about 5 years. No idea how you made yours last for 13. Different use cases, I guess?

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Yes, most of work is done at work on the machines there. Just trying a simpler version at home.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Amazing beast of an AMD build!

  • 30 months ago
  • 2 points

Thank you. I am installing win10 updates and geforce drivers to get better screen resolution. I am pleasantly surprized with the cpu-z multithreaded score as it is about four times that of my Toshiba laptop i7-6700 quad core.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Very nice =) How does that little cooler do with cooling that beast????

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you. The cooler works well. I haven't had freezes from overheating. Nonetheless a Corsair H60 arrives next week to see if it can help me get RAM to 3200 (by cooling the data fabric).

  • 29 months ago
  • 0 points

better get 2400 native ram speed and oc to 3200 coz none of am4 mobo can support 3200 native speed

  • 29 months ago
  • 2 points

I currently have TridentZ 3200-16 (with Hynix M-die chips) running at 3200-16 in Asus crosshair 6. In past experience I have seen this same memory run at most 2933-14 when paired with 1700X ryzen, on Asus Prime X370-pro motherboard or 3200-16 with 1800X. Memory speed depends much more on ryzen cpu and in my experience doesnt depend on motherboard. Also I tried Ripjaws 3200-14, corsair 3400-16 and another pair of the identical TridentZ but all these ran 2666 at most. The memory speed depends both on memory chips and on ryzen cpu so-called data fabric. More expensive motherboards let you adjust more settings such as base clock to make memory run faster. For example, AMD twitted memory overclock to 3400 but used fastest memory with motherboard front side bus set from 100 to 127.5 MHz.

  • 29 months ago
  • 0 points

so your native 3200s works on x370 mobo? full 3200 or got bottlenecked to 2400/2666 or even 2933?

  • 29 months ago
  • 3 points

Full 3200. Got lucky with these chips, both 1800X and TridentZ. Both X370-Pro and C6H mobos work well.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Nice build! I can't help but think the stock ryzen cooler looks better and performs the same if not better :) love the gpu/ CPU combo though!

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Very well could be the case. I believe 1700 comes with a stock cooler, and it should be just as good as the aftermarket ones.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

The power cable alarm message has been around for sometime. Seems like you were off the PC building scene for a while. Congrats on the awesome build. It's good to see returning veterans with new hardware.

Edit: I recommend you turn the CPU cooler 90 degrees to direct it's airflow towards the rear fan of the case.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you. AM4 socket has a mounting bracket that allows only vertical orientation. It is currently set to pull air from the video card and out of the top of the case. Liquid H60 cooler should arrive tomorrow, so I am planning to repurpose the air cooler as chipset cooler (south bridge that says Asus on top). I plan to use the four motherboard mounting points with Intel mounts that came with the air cooler but will need to invent a transition bracket. Any help or suggestions on mounting the air cooler over chipset are welcome.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Totally forgot about the mounting brackets. Let us know how the H60 performs with Ryzen. Good luck!

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

A gripe about Newegg: they switched from FedEx to Smarthome (US post) delivery mid-way so the H60 is delayed. The package has been in town since yesterday, moving from warehouse to warehouse for delivery originally scheduled for today, now it's tomorrow, and in reality could be by this weekend. The liquid cooling update is delayed.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

The case has dust filter on all sides?. Do you have dust inside soon?.

  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

The case has fine mesh ~1mm holes dust screens on all sides. Mesh was removed over the liquid cooler intake. Yes, dust may make it into the case. However, after decades of running my previous AMD desktops there is almost no dust inside. It depends on whether there is dust where the computer is located.

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Hello 1TM, Thank you for sharing your build!! I have placed my order on some similar spec hardware, and should be receiving parts Wednesday for a 1800x build with the Crosshair VI motherboard... I decided to go with a Samsung 960 Pro 512GB M.2 NVME as my boot drive. I have read mixed experiences regarding driver installation, and I wanted to hear about your experience. I have a few questions, if you wouldn't mind sparing a few minutes to answer.

1) Did you have to install any drivers to have your BIOS recognize the 960 Evo?

2) Did you install Windows on the original BIOS?

3) I was planning on installing Windows 10 Professional. Can you tell me which specific Windows 10 Pro you are using? Currently, I see the Creators and Anniversary Updates available. (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO)

4) I decided to purchase the G.Skill TridentZ RGB (2 x 8GB) @ 3600mhz C14. I only purchased the 3600MHZ because I read in another build thread that someone who purchased this ram did not have problems posting @ 3200MHZ frequently. I am really curious as to your overclock procedure, and if you would mind sharing your settings. (If you would prefer to leave this information out of your build thread, please let me know if it can be e-mailed to me).

Thank you, Austin

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi Austin, No, I did not install additional drivers for 960EVO. BIOS recognizes it and Windows does too. I have installed Windows on the original BIOS (0702 came with the motherboard, worked fine. One caution if you change default BIOS settings is not to exceed SOC 1.2 volts) I am using Win10Home; It's the Office Pro version that I have. I have read good things about TridentZ 3600-14 RGB. They should work fine at 3200-14 and some even push these to 3600-18 (by adjusting the base clock BCLK which may interfere with NVME and graphics card). The RGB lights sometimes fail, but may not be essential to the RAM operation. There are two ways to set faster RAM speed in BIOS: 1. DHCP profile and 2. manually. Manual setup generally calls for DRAM voltage to be set to 1.35V (or whatever is written on the memory label). With the 3600-14 kit this should be enough to get 3200-14 speed. By 14 I mean DRAM timings (set in the DRAM timings menu) as 14-16-16-16-34 or whatever numbers are actually written on the memory label. Other settings to consider are VTTDDR which is memory termination voltage. It may be set on auto or can be increased to half of the DRAM voltage. SB voltage may be left on auto or set to 1.1V. Also SOC may play a role. If the default auto setting does not let you reach 3200, consider increasing or decreasing it. I have gone as high as 1.15V (remember not to exceed 1.2V SOC - somehow it is detrimental to this motherboard) but usually the default auto setting works. There are also other parameters to set such as load line calibration LLC etc. but these may not help as much. I found that the C6H manual has less detail on BIOS settings, while the Asus Prime X370-Pro motherboard manual (available on Asus site) gives more detailed explanation for all settings. Consider downloading that manual. Results also vary with BIOS versions: some allow to reach 3200 easily and some don't. If no combination of settings works, consider updating BIOS to a more recent one (from Asus site). In my case after updating from 0702 to newer 0902 and 1002 I was no longer able to get 3200 with my TridentZ. Had to install pre-release version 0083 to get it to 3200 again (link on Asus forums) but I recommend only finalized versions. This is more art than science because by the nature of memory manufacture each memory silicon crystal is different and results vary. Sounds like you have a very robust kit. Enjoy putting it together and getting it to run.

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Wowwwww 1TM,

I genuinely want to thank you so much for your suggestions and support, that was a truly helpful and incredible reply!! I am definitely getting the impression it is best to stick with original BIOS -- I am glad you were able to install the m.2 nvme drive without any firmware setbacks. I really don't want to flash new hardware unless the new BIOS is substantially improved, and it sounds like numerous people have bricked their systems by installing half-rushed BIOS. I am thankful ASUS thought ahead while constructing the BIOS and driver support for this system, as most the time you have to have Intel Rapid Storage Drivers handy to install only on Windows Boot Installation off USB (which obviously don't apply to AMD chipsets).

I have a higher-end build on the way, hopefully I won't have too many headaches by tomorrow night. I received the majority of my parts in the mail today, and am just waiting on my graphics card/monitor/keyboard/mouse to arrive to complete assembly. Probably going to start the build tomorrow and do some cable management while waiting for the missing hardware. I have been reading my manuals like a good boy, locating all the headers and connections to the motherboard. I have a somewhat abnormal setup, my case is to be mounted on the LEFT of the monitor and keyboard, as it will obstruct less of my vision to the hallway next to where my desk is placed. The case essentially inverts your motherboard and components upside down, no real benefit other than the aesthetic benefit mentioned above. Here is a link to my build sheet (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hZVksJ), please feel free to give me thoughts and opinions.

Also, I made a typo before... I did buy the G.Skill TridentZ RGB 3600MHZ ram, but in C16 not C14. I will still follow your recommendations on settings for DRAM timings, VTTDDR, and SOC voltages. Thank you for the suggestion to download the PRIME user manual, I will be sure to do so and follow settings from other successful builds. Do you do most of your research on the ASUS ROG forum?

Thank you for your time, you really have no idea how much that means to me!! I know thorough replies are not a short process, and it is really great of you to reach out to help me personally. Have a great night, I'll be sure to check back with you soon!

Sincerely, Austin

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

You have a very nice list of parts. I also read the overclock dot net forum C6H thread where >10,000 posts may be summarized as: "let's wait for the May BIOS". The 3600-16 may be able to run 3200 MHz, but as with any memory it is not guaranteed. I have tried 3200-14 Ripjaws (also by G-Skill) which was Dual-rank memory (16G sticks so they arrange more chips per stick) and didn't run 3200. Currently I have Single-rank 8G sticks (as reported by CPU-Z). Your 8+8G should also be single-rank and should be able to run 3200, and with May BIOS perhaps 3600. I also found that thaiphoon tool gives more detail about memory chip manufacturer etc.

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Well 1TM, just got my AM4 plate in the mail!! I am going to go ahead and finish assembly today and get back to you and let you know how things go. I am going to keep the factory BIOS and wait for the revised May BIOS before tweaking any settings outside of factory base clock (might try to run RAM at higher speed). I have been doing a ton of research, and wanted to gauge your input on something.... \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Side story.......I have only have two small oversights in this build, and neither one is that big of a deal: 1) The Corsair 600c chassis has a fan controller at the top of the case. I purchased ML140 Pro fans to replace the factory fans. The fans included with the chassis are 3-pin fans, therefore I cannot utilize the fan speed controller, because I purchased 4-pin fans. To remedy this problem, I utilized the 3 chassis fan headers connected to the motherboard. 2) My case/chassis requires a USB 2.0 header for the front USB ports. As we know, we have a boatload of 2.0 hookups on the back of the motherboard, so I was willing to disconnect this for the (USB 2.0 header)-to-(Mini USB for Corsair AIO block). Not a big deal, I would rather leave it this way instead of cluttering my case with the popular NZXT USB 2.0 header splitter. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Ok, so the last thing to be connected will be my Corsair H115i. From what I gather this is a very similar or rebranded/updated version of the H110i GTX.........There are a few mixed opinions as to how to control the cooler, and I wanted to ask you directly because I know that you have experience with the ASUS software as well as Corsair products.

My real question is which motherboard header will I be able to utilize in ASUS software 'CPU_FAN,' 'CPU_OPT,' or 'AIO_PUMP?' Frankly, I am getting mixed reviews and I just wanted to make sure I use the correct header to communicate with minimal software. My thoughts are to use the CPU_FAN header, as this was how the part was originally designed, and there are still several motherboards on the market without a AIO_PUMP headers.

I tried to enhance your photo above to see which header your Corsair pump was connected to, but I can't tell. Which header are you using, and have you been able to get it to work seamlessly with the ASUS software? I probably will still have to install the Corsair software to control the RGB colors on my keyboard and mouse, so if I have to use both pieces of software to control things I will not be completely disappointed. I want to utilize the ASUS software to create a fan performance curve, and hopefully that will allow me to adjust the CPU cooler curve at the same time. Oh, and also I am ditching the factory 140mm fans included with the Corsair cooler for Corsair ML140 Pro fans so my chassis fans and cooler fans are matching. (no 4-pin/3-pin issue here, I checked, lol!!) Any thoughts on the best way to hookup the H115i?

Thank you so much, and I will be sure to make a write-up thanking you and the rest of the pcpartpicker community for their suggestions and input

  • 29 months ago
  • 1 point

Hi, the fan power connectors on the C6H motherboard can accommodate both 3 and 4 pin fan cables. Chassis fans connectors should do fine. The motherboard actually has mostly USB 3.0 ports on the back plate. I think only two 2.0 ports are the ones over the keybot one on the back. The case may have a cable for the front USB ports, those are 3.0. The H115 may or may not fit on the roof of your case. Alternatively front of the case may be another place to mount the radiator. I have seen reports of better results if cold air from outside the case flows through the radiator, just as the manual says. I have H60 which is a smaller AIO cooler and I mounted it on the front. Case front fans were moved from inside front to outside front and serve to push air in. Radiator fan was mounted as pull fan. Thus I got a push-pull setup and temperatures look good. AIO pump was connected to AIO header. Pull fan was connected to CPU Fan header. Case push fan was connected to CPU Opt header. Your cooler has two fans. I would connect them both as pull, on Cpu fan and Cpu opt, and the two push fans would be on Chassis 1 and 2. I did not load Asus software, just configured BIOS to control fan speeds. AIO pump runs at max by default. To run in proportion to temperature it needs to be enabled in Monitor part of BIOS.

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  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you. The builds I saw here showed me that cables should be hidden. When I opened the chassis case I didn't know what the bulges on the sides are for.

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  • 30 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you. Your pars list is impressive. Both X370 and B350 chipsets should be compatible with 960EVO. Mine boots to Win10 before the 1st dot circle is over. M.2 drives are fast.