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June 22, 2016 AM Updated my previous build (http://pcpartpicker.com/b/Z6kTwP) to use AIO watercooling for both CPU and GPU. To make room for the AIOs, I had to get an external 2-bay HDD enclosure for my 3.5" 2TB drives.

The NZXT Kraken G10 works with my GTX 1080 FE. The Corsair H75 really help to lower temps on my GPU (temps under load lowered by 30C). As for the CPU, temperatures with the Corsair H75 seem only slightly better than the NH-U9S air cooler. (about 10C improvement) I'm only using single 120mm EK Vardar to push each radiator, as there is not enough room for the pull fan in my case.

The slim 92mm fan is a rear exhaust. The regular 92mm fan (from old air cooler) is now on the Kraken G10.

I actually tried the Corsair HG10 980 bracket for the GPU, but it did not seem to work with my video card - it warped my card slightly, and the block and pump doesn't seem to be able to pick up heat from the GPU at all. Had a scary moment where GPU reached 90C+ during a benchmark.

Mostly use this rig for games, and when I take work home (includes 2D and 3D design work)

June 22, 2016 PM edit: I added two slim static pressure fans behind the radiators to help pull air. I ran another stress test, and updated the temperatures. The blue fan enclosure doesn't match though, oh well... Added photo of this new push-pull set up.

July 6, 2016 PM edit: I switched the side fans to exhaust through the rads. Rear slim Noctua is intake. Added bottom rear slim Siilverstone as intake to help cool VRAM / VRM heatsinks. Both the rear and bottom fans have the Noctua quiet adapter cables to help keep noise down. CPU and GPU load temps updated.

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  • 40 months ago
  • 2 points

Looks like a very clean build! I like it! +1

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks!

  • 40 months ago
  • 2 points

I always wonder about the heat in these small cases.

  • 40 months ago
  • 3 points

I have an ncase myself, and to answer your "question", the temps are always fine. A bit higher than usual, but never more than 70 on a room temp. day. Cases like the silverstone sg13 are even better at cooling, as they spread the parts better.

  • 40 months ago
  • 2 points

thanks for answering. I have no idea how you fit all this inside without breaking your hands. :D

  • 40 months ago
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The thermals in this case were actually OK with air -cooling.

I went watercooling to prevent GPU throttling at 82C, which my GPU will get to with the reference blower.

  • 40 months ago
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Makes sense. I wanted a watercooling too but the budget was tight so I'll have to see how the heat does.

  • 40 months ago
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I am surprised that you were able to fit 2 water coolers in that. Great job.

  • 40 months ago
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Thanks! I'm actually hoping to add another 120mm slim fan on the pull side of the radiator too

  • 40 months ago
  • 2 points

The dream, right here. Minimalist case with powerful parts and AIO cooling.

  • 40 months ago
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Thanks!

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

I spent months debating building an ITX after seeing the ncase and a few others and ended up with the Evolv ITX but by the time I did I could have ordered and had an Ncase delivered. Next time.

  • 40 months ago
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I also considered the InWin 901, Phanteks Evolv ITX, Fractal Node 202, Fractal Nano S, and NZXT Manta. I really like the Evolv ITX based on the design, interior layout, and price... however I might end up putting anything bigger than the NCase on the floor due to limited desk space.

  • 40 months ago
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That was my compromise as at the time I was between the Nano S and Evolv ITX on a budget. It does sit on my desk but I ended up getting a mount to raise my 2x24" monitors off the surface. It all fits well enough and I am a fan of the Evolv in red and black (I themed mine around Kylo Ren, I'll posit it some day). The simplicity of the Nano S or even the cleaner Silverstone Sugo cases though...

If price wasn't an issue I'd have an Ncase with a founders 1070 alongside a Xeon v5.

  • 40 months ago
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I love these sort of builds +1

  • 40 months ago
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Thanks! :)

  • 40 months ago
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!

  • 40 months ago
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:)

  • 40 months ago
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Love your build!

Can you comment on the noise of the two H75 pumps when idle and under load? I'm considering using your build as a template. How is the kraken g10 setup process? This is my first time building a PC and afraid I will be in over my head messing around with a GPU modification like that.

  • 40 months ago
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The H75s are pretty quiet, especially when I only had the push fans. The slim push fans I added are louder. Same level of sound when idle or under load.

The Kraken G10 is relatively straight forward for me. It was helpful watching videos on video card disassembly and G10 installation videos. I wouldn't say it's difficult, but can seem challenging to some. An alternative is to get a hybrid GPU.

  • 40 months ago
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Beautiful! That G10 sure did wonders for your 1080. Earlier this year, I was this close to building in an M1 with a G10 on the GPU. The M1 was too expensive for me in the end tho.

Are your fans still configured to flood your case with radiator heat? The major advantage of watercooling in this case is how directly it allows you to dump heat from the tiny chassis. You could end up with a quieter and happier system if you move the fans around a little.

  • 40 months ago
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No, my side fans are pulling air in from outside, filling radiator and onto the motherboard and PSU... The rear 92mm fan is exhaust. The G10 pulls air from below the case. I was going for positive pressure, 3x intakes, 1 exhaust.

Good idea with flipping the rad fans... The rear fan will have to be flipped for intake, G10 fan will stay intake. Probably better for the interior temps this way?

  • 40 months ago
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My first move would be to mount a Vardar to each rad so that they are pushing air out of the case. Then I would remove the Noctua and Silverstone fans and the dust filters. I may be wrong, but I think this setup wouldn't be much warmer than your 5 fan setup - may even be cooler.

I know you might be worried about losing your positive pressure system. However, the efficiency of your case's airflow is more important than positive pressure. With the setup I described, you have an efficient bottom-to-top flow that passes over all of your components and takes advantage of the way hot air rises. Where dust is concerned, If you keep your space relatively clean, your system will be fine. If you do notice dust buildup, you can clear it up with a can of compressed air.

Before trying anything else, I'd set a conservative fan curve that runs the fans as slowly as possible during idle and keeps the components below 80 degrees under stress. This will keep your components well within safe temps while also reducing the noise your system produces as well as the dust it accumulates. Since gaming is the most intensive task my pc runs on a regular basis, I stress test with Furmark + 2 threads of Prime95; this puts a much heavier load on your system than any game will, so it's an adequate stability test. If you run any other types of tasks, it's worth researching methods to stress test for those applications as well.

In the future you may consider using more noise-efficient fans on your radiator or adding a 120 mm fan to the bottom panel if necessary. This fan happens to be one of, if not the, most noise-efficient fan(s) available. If you wanna go all out for silence, a corsair SF 600 is a quieter/better psu, and the right air cooler could bring down noise without limiting your cpu's overclocking potential much. Two pumps can be noisy.

  • 40 months ago
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Thanks! It's like you can read my mind - It is louder than I would like. It used to be so quiet when it was just air-cooled. The Vardars are relatively quiet, but I will look into the Enermax fan too.

  • 40 months ago
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I think it's a good decision to stick with the Vardars. They're well-reviewed rad fans. You could pick up a Twister Pressure to compare to your Vardar if you ever get the itch. Here's where I'm pulling my conclusion from, by the way: http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5770/103-12cm-case-fans-review

You mind letting us know how your adjustments go?

  • 40 months ago
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Thanks for the link. Sure thing, I reconfigured the components last week, and here are my findings:

  • Both Vardar are now set as exhaust, pushing internal case air through the H75s. Mounting the Vardar and radiator in this arrangement to the side bracket will require different hardware. I had to use shorter 6-32 case screws that I had laying around to mount both rads to the bracket.

  • The case interior is cooler now, but at the expense of heating up my NAS / external HDD / router that is sitting on the left of the NCase. I need to rearrange my desk...

  • I haven't ran any stress tests yet, but when gaming, both the CPU and GPU stays at about mid-50C. It stays pretty quiet with this new configuration. The Silverstones were the noisiest components.

  • The only intake fan is the 92mm Noctua on the G10 Kraken used to cool the graphics card VRM / VRAM. I think that the graphics card itself is blocking most of the airflow, so I added another 92mm Noctua fan as rear intake to provide additional air going into the case. If I need more intake, I may add the 120mm Silverstone slim SP fan to the rear floor to help bring more air into the case.

  • 39 months ago
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Do you experience any noise from the h75 cooler? Mine has a rattling noise; it is connected to the CPU fan header and set @ full speed. In your photo, I see your CPU fan header is not connected to anything. How are you powering the cooler pumps?

Thanks.

  • 39 months ago
  • 2 points

There is some sound from both H75 pumps, they're pretty quiet. Not all my photographs represent the latest setup I am currently running. The 3rd photograph showing the top view with cover off is the most up-to-date setup. Both pumps are powered by the System / Case fan header, while all the fans (2x Vadar radiator fans, 1x 92mm slim Noctua, 1x 120mm slim Silverstone) are powered by the CPU fan header.

  • 39 months ago
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Hi Upgrade, fantastic build. Mine will be very similar. I already have the NCASE v5 and EK Vardar fans.

"Both pumps are powered by the System / Case fan header, while all the fans (2x Vadar radiator fans, 1x 92mm slim Noctua, 1x 120mm slim Silverstone) are powered by the CPU fan header."

For this set up, I understand that the EK Vardar and Noctua 92mm Slim are PWM and you have probably put in a couple of fan splitters on the CPU header (4-pin?). How would you be able to control different RPMs of say the EK fans vs the Noctua or Silverstone? Also does voltage control still work as the fans are all difference RPMs.

Thanks so much.

  • 39 months ago
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Hi, thanks! Have fun with your build! To be honest, I am not knowledgeable with PWM fans and control... and how to properly control the fans. Yes, I used a few PWM Y-splitters to get all the fans connected to the CPU fan header. I never got SpeedFan to work, so I'm not sure what RPMs each fans are running at. I am able to run most newer games at 1440p at high/ultra around 100fps, but most importantly a quiet system. I will have to look into fan controls further when I get a chance to do so... sorry if this wasn't very helpful.

  • 39 months ago
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This build makes me very happy. Well done!

  • 39 months ago
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Thank you! :)

  • 34 months ago
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What does the top of the case look like? Specifically with the Blu-Ray reader in it. How does loading the disc and stuff look? I'm wanting to put an ODD in my M1 build as well but I'm not aware of how well the front panel of the reader integrates with the top of the panel.

  • 34 months ago
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The slot load ODD lines up exactly with the slot in the top panel. The disc should slide in / out effortlessly, without any interference.

  • 22 months ago
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I know this a little late but I'm planned on doing something like this in the future and I was wondering if you just sat the H75's by each other. I saw a video and this dude had H60'S and put them into one little bracket. Like a casing that went over them. Did you do that or did you just sit them right next to each other? Cause I'm not sure if you have to have that bracket and where to get it.

  • 22 months ago
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I mounted both H75 on directly on the side bracket that came with the M1.